Occupy demo in London.

[bhaexpress]

look into gates' vaccines in africa and look at the fertility rate in those areas.

TB - i dont have an issue with rich people, it is greedy and corrupt banks and mega corps that hurt the planet.

i know many who turned into arses when they got money and/or power - we all do.

if you think the sys works well, write it down today, sign it, date it, and give it to your grankids in 20 years....lets see what they say back to you.

life is not "work for a boss and pay tax" or "be a lazy layabout sponging" there is so many other ways to live, is this all that is in your imagination? even [MENTION=599]beorhthelm[/MENTION] stretches to a third laughable option of tribal living while hunting and grunting.

humans are not workers, they are a feeling of awareness that can contemplate ones own sentience, and can create using their consciousness.....yes, the body can do tasks but this is trivial compared to the reality of the experience of being human.

daring is subjective, dare to work longer to get a promotion, dare to gamble hedge funds, or dare to stand up to corruption and ppl who are toxic to the planet?

to wish for any human to be thrown to the wolves shows you have psycopathic issues and i am wasting my time debating with you.

If everybody took your attitude we'd still be living in caves, bit nippy for that now.

 

[beorhthelm]

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that, is fascism and dictatorship, not democracy.

just thought i'd come back to this gross distortion of reality.
they are in the City. they have not been moved on. there is no kettleing, no containment*. they tarnish their own image by not having any coherent purpose. they evade labels themselves, so how can they be mislabeled (again no purpose). i dont think banks ever lied about what they do, no one ever asked (or understood); politicain tell us what we want to hear. The PM can gain power with out funding, just because there is some doesnt mean the system needs it. they do pay over the top for things - by choice, they could pay less for the cheaper item.

yes they've paid for bail outs while bonuses continue, which is quite perverse and wrong. so one of nine.

and what really does any of this to do with democracy, its commercial and economic. we'll turn up to the ballot box and vote. or not. i dont see anyone challenging that process, if indeed that is their concern.

* they are free to come and go as they please, usually to the nearby Starbucks, Pret and Tescos.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I agree with most stuff you post, but do you actually believe that? Really? That we live in some 1950's "American Dream" society? I am not saying that there aren't lazy scroungers out there but there are a lot of people who work hard and are full of great ideas that are destined to live their lives at the bottom end of the class ladder.

Absolutely I do.

There's plenty of working class people who end up doing quite well in life because they have a good work ethic.

They save their money, invest it wisely and end up in a better position in life than their parents did.

Yes there are those who will always be at the bottom end of the chain, but there's always been people who have started at the top of the ladder and died right at the bottom as well.

Even Delboy and Rodney made it big eventually!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The defence of capitalism always used to be that it worked for everyone.

The protesters are merely suggesting that this crisis is demonstrating that, when things go wrong, capitalism only works for some. And they are pointing out that it's not just feckless wasters who are losing out.

Capitalism is a lot like being a football fan.

When it's going your way and you're winning it's wonderful.

As soon as there's a rough patch though the moaners who previously were all praise are the first to start bleating about at the form reversal.

 

[bhaexpress]

Capitalism is a lot like being a football fan.

When it's going your way and you're winning it's wonderful.

As soon as there's a rough patch though the moaners who previously were all praise are the first to start bleating about at the form reversal.

Very hard to argue with that, Tyrone's most ever astute post.

 

[bhaexpress]

just thought i'd come back to this gross distortion of reality.
they are in the City. they have not been moved on. there is no kettleing, no containment*. they tarnish their own image by not having any coherent purpose. they evade labels themselves, so how can they be mislabeled (again no purpose). i dont think banks ever lied about what they do, no one ever asked (or understood); politicain tell us what we want to hear. The PM can gain power with out funding, just because there is some doesnt mean the system needs it. they do pay over the top for things - by choice, they could pay less for the cheaper item.

yes they've paid for bail outs while bonuses continue, which is quite perverse and wrong. so one of nine.

and what really does any of this to do with democracy, its commercial and economic. we'll turn up to the ballot box and vote. or not. i dont see anyone challenging that process, if indeed that is their concern.

* they are free to come and go as they please, usually to the nearby Starbucks, Pret and Tescos.

brunswick is clearly a rather bitter and twisted individual, it's not too surprising that society has rejected him.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Very hard to argue with that, Tyrone's most ever astute post.

Took me five years mate but I finally got there!

 

[brunswick]

i dont think banks ever lied about what they do

beorhthelm falls out of the thread due to negligence and ignorance.....shame as week or two ago i had you down as being half smart.

 

[beorhthelm]

beorhthelm falls out of the thread due to negligence and ignorance.....shame as week or two ago i had you down as being half smart.

please educate me then: what have the banks told us they do which is untrue?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

please educate me then: what have the banks told us they do which is untrue?

They have told us that it is in the best interests of everyone to keep retail banking institutions tied into the gambling wing of the banking industry. It isn't. It's obviously in the best interests of investment bankers to put the government in the position where they would have no choice but to "rescue" a failing investment bank when it looks like going tits up and bringing down its sister High Street bank.

 

[Uncle C]

 

[brunswick]

please educate me then: what have the banks told us they do which is untrue?

i could post 50 things, 10 biggies, but i am not going to, this is the point......ignorance reigns.... easiest option for you is to reply with "haha because you don't know" - others here do the same....a choice option when penned into this corner.

 

[m20gull]

i could post 50 things, 10 biggies, but i am not going to, this is the point......ignorance reigns.... easiest option for you is to reply with "haha because you don't know" - others here do the same....a choice option when penned into this corner.

You could post one thing. But then you would just come over as less patronising.

 

[beorhthelm]

They have told us that it is in the best interests of everyone to keep retail banking institutions tied into the gambling wing of the banking industry.

my point is that i dont recall them telling *us* anything about their operations or complexities, and regulators were aware (albeit not specific operations in places). Northern Rock and Lloyds weren't involved in "investment" banking; Lehmans wasnt bailed out (arguably because of surprise rather than noble motives).

what brunswick means, what so many youtube warriors on the internet mean, is that we, the general population, didnt *know* (50 specific items apparently). people dont care how banks operated, any more than they care how an internal combustion engine or broadband work. as long as it does, everyone is happy to use them. theres no lies or secrets, just no one beyond economists and a few politicians was interested in such matters.

 

[South Coast Eagle]

the leaders are not appointed.....the game is rigged. most do not deep down believe that legal businesses should take billions of profits at the sake of the general public (BP Exxon Chevron Monsanto Coca-cola British Gas etc etc etc), in many cases giving nothing beneficial to the planet.

e.g british gas produce no gas, they rent pipelines and have a decent billing system - they make billions on their scam, charge so much old ppl die due to cold, but ppl think it is a nice gas supplier who have to pay alot wholesale......they are corrupt and greedy, if people do not know this then it does not change the facts. there are hundred of other examples, people deep down if they knew the truth would not allow or condone.

You come across as an intellectually challenged Wolfie Smith.

I work for British Gas, they profit very little per customer, as do the other 'Big 5' They also keep the profits within the country rather than squirrelling it away abroad like npower, EDF, etc. Were you also aware that gas & electric in the UK is the cheapest in Europe?

Thought not.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Northern Rock and Lloyds weren't involved in "investment" banking

They shouldn't have been. But Northern Rock's business plan was all about borrowing heavily in the UK and international money markets, extending mortgages to customers based on this funding, and then re-selling these mortgages on international capital markets. That's not retail banking. It's gambling.

 

[SICKASAGULL]

I support peaceful demonstrations but they must be limited to say a couple of hours to ensure that business and transport is not affected, I am puzzled that they think we are not aware of current situations have they not heard of newspapers and TV,perhaps they might take the opportunity of reading the free London newspapers and then go home otherwise we must wait for cold weather and steady rain to get things back to normal.

 

[Seagull kimchi]

True but what are pointless demostrations evidence of ? Poor education ? Imbreeding ?

Any demonstration whether it be pro or anti any point of view is utterly valid and the product of a healthy democracy. What is your point?

 

[BadFish]

I'm dead agaisnt rewarding lazy sods with profits from other peoples efforts and risks.

3 billion (almost half the worlds population) lazy sods living on less than $2.50 day.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

 

[BadFish]

please educate me then: what have the banks told us they do which is untrue?

ON the same day my credit card provider sent me a little card telling me that if I spend $2,500but December they will give me a $50 Myer gift card then phoned me up to tell me off for missing a payment and charged me $10.

Not exactly a lie but you can see the mixed message here.

For other lies banks have told try google!
http://www.sharescity.com/2007/07/fsa-condemns-lies-told-by-uk-banks.html