Occupy demo in London.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Tyrone. This is just blind predjudice. And so far off the point it's not funny. These are people trying to do something about the injustices they see happening in the world. A world where half of its inhabitants are living in poverty.

Are you really okay with this?

I'm ok with them raising the issue.

Not OK with them thinking they can take over chunks of the city and disturb other people going about their business.

It's hypocrisy to state they are reperesenting the 99% of the people outside these 1% wealthy types when all their actions are doing is creating issues for the 99% around them.

I also have a massive issue with them thinking they are above the law and can defy reasonable requests from the Police to dispurse and move on.

They were allowed a few days to get their message across but in the end they were so self centred and full of their own self worth they decided to turn it violent and cause more disturbances to the general public through their selfish actions.

 

[BadFish]

I'm ok with them raising the issue.

Not OK with them thinking they can take over chunks of the city and disturb other people going about their business.

It's hypocrisy to state they are reperesenting the 99% of the people outside these 1% wealthy types when all their actions are doing is creating issues for the 99% around them.

I also have a massive issue with them thinking they are above the law and can defy reasonable requests from the Police to dispurse and move on.

They were allowed a few days to get their message across but in the end they were so self centred and full of their own self worth they decided to turn it violent and cause more disturbances to the general public through their selfish actions.

I am not sure it was them who decided to turn it violent.

I also haven't read much about people complaining about being disrupted while going about their daily business

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I am not sure it was them who decided to turn it violent.

Well if you're asked to move on and you comply by heading home nothing will happen. Which is why this did turn violent.

There's a piece in that article you linked that shows the mentality of a lot of these protestors. It stated something along the lines of differing views in the protestors camp on complying with the order to move away from the area. Due to differing opinions some protestors on this issue many left the camp and went home. To me that indicates they saw the writing on the wall and recgonsied their peaceful protest was going to get ugly.

I also haven't read much about people complaining about being disrupted while going about their daily business

There's been a few articles in various papers about shop owners and workers saying access to their businesses have been affected and it has keep shoppers away.

Also been mentioned trams and traffic have been effected by these people.

5 days allowance for a public protest is very generous. They could have created a lot of good will by moving on and chosing a more user friendly location for their next protest.

 

[BadFish]

Well if you're asked to move on and you comply by heading home nothing will happen. Which is why this did turn violent.

There's a piece in that article you linked that shows the mentality of a lot of these protestors. It stated something along the lines of differing views in the protestors camp on complying with the order to move away from the area. Due to differing opinions some protestors on this issue many left the camp and went home. To me that indicates they saw the writing on the wall and recgonsied their peaceful protest was going to get ugly


There's been a few articles in various papers about shop owners and workers saying access to their businesses have been affected and it has keep shoppers away.

Also been mentioned trams and traffic have been effected by these people.

5 days allowance for a public protest is very generous. They could have created a lot of good will by moving on and chosing a more user friendly location for their next protest.

So you agree with the reasons for the protest but you don't like the protestors, the way they protest or how long they protest for?

I say thank f*** someone is doing something to get people talking and thinking.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So you agree with the reasons for the protest but you don't like the protestors, the way they protest or how long they protest for?

Some what yes.

If the idea is to get the 99% people you're supposed to reperesent on board with you, you don't then go out and act in a manner which goes against everything most of them would never do.

All that achieves is alienating people and turns them away from the cause because the cause in this case will be associated with left wing loonies and agitators.

I say thank f*** someone is doing something to get people talking and thinking.

People have more improtant things in life to deal with than this i'd think.

Getting kids off to school, getting to work, taking the dog to the vet etc...

To quote Aristide Briand "The man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart, but if he is still a socialist at forty he has no head."

 

[cunning fergus]

Maybe they're complaining about the fact that St Paul's Cathedral is now seen by most people as a "tourist attraction"?

I don't believe that was its original purpose.

You could say the same about Auchwitz...........what's your point?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You could say the same about Auchwitz...........what's your point?

Can you?

St Paul's is still a place of worship used daily by many people isn't it?

 

[BadFish]

Some what yes.

If the idea is to get the 99% people you're supposed to reperesent on board with you, you don't then go out and act in a manner which goes against everything most of them would never do.

All that achieves is alienating people and turns them away from the cause because the cause in this case will be associated with left wing loonies and agitators.



People have more improtant things in life to deal with than this i'd think.

Getting kids off to school, getting to work, taking the dog to the vet etc...

To quote Aristide Briand "The man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart, but if he is still a socialist at forty he has no head."

I have those things to do and i think this is important (for my children) so i am glad there are people representing me in cities all over the world. Socialists or lefties maybe there but that just comes across as predjudice, all i see are people standing up for the rest of us.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I have those things to do and i think this is important (for my children) so i am glad there are people representing me in cities all over the world. Socialists or lefties maybe there but that just comes across as predjudice, all i see are people standing up for the rest of us.

They aren't standing up for the 99%. I really thinks that's a misnomer.

The majority are there to push their own political views.

If they achieved any kind of political power you can be assured they wouldn't give a toss about your political/social views if they did not match theirs.

Even within that gathering in Melbourne there wasn't even a common reason why the people were there. It was a directionless protest that achieved nothing.

 

[cunning fergus]

Can you?

St Paul's is still a place of worship used daily by many people isn't it?

Yep, and therefore it will not be seen by the many people who use it as a place of worship as a "tourist attraction".

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Yep, and therefore it will not be seen by the many people who use it as a place of worship as a "tourist attraction".

Ok got ya.

Sorry, thought you were saying it is nothing more thna a tourist destination.

 

[BadFish]

They aren't standing up for the 99%. I really thinks that's a misnomer.

The majority are there to push their own political views.

If they achieved any kind of political power you can be assured they wouldn't give a toss about your political/social views if they did not match theirs.

Even within that gathering in Melbourne there wasn't even a common reason why the people were there. It was a directionless protest that achieved nothing.

I don't think any of this is substanciated. Reading through their comments on facebook there is a common reason for the protests. And one i agree with.

The gap between the rich and poor grows wider and those in power are not representing the people they should be. The system is not working for the majority of the planet.

There are other agendas here too of course.

 

[bhaexpress]

I don't think any of this is substanciated. Reading through their comments on facebook there is a common reason for the protests. And one i agree with.

The gap between the rich and poor grows wider and those in power are not representing the people they should be. The system is not working for the majority of the planet.

There are other agendas here too of course.

Under any political system there will always be people who are disgruntled. However as has been proved time and time again the Communist utopia that many of these protesters seem to want is unworkable, it has failed everywhere and is every bit as corrupt and evil and any other form government with the exception of the fact that it pretends to be anything but. Even China has embraced Capitalism with a vengeance.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I don't think any of this is substanciated. Reading through their comments on facebook there is a common reason for the protests. And one i agree with.

The gap between the rich and poor grows wider and those in power are not representing the people they should be. The system is not working for the majority of the planet.

There are other agendas here too of course.

Good interview here from a business owner right near the protestors.

MTR1377 Media Player - Publican Gerard Anderson

He's down 70% revenue, other cafe close by are down close to 85%.

There's a delicious irony in these people claiming to be the voice of the people when in fact they are sending some of the people broke and potentially losing others their jobs.

Anyone who goes up and protests should be very mindful of how they effect other peoples lives by their actions.

 

[Gus is god]

St Pauls have asked them to leave now, so as its there land and they have been asked to leave could get interesting as police would have a right to move them on now

 

[BadFish]

Under any political system there will always be people who are disgruntled. However as has been proved time and time again the Communist utopia that many of these protesters seem to want is unworkable, it has failed everywhere and is every bit as corrupt and evil and any other form government with the exception of the fact that it pretends to be anything but. Even China has embraced Capitalism with a vengeance.

But they are offering no solutions? ? ?

 

[BadFish]

Good interview here from a business owner right near the protestors.

MTR1377 Media Player - Publican Gerard Anderson

He's down 70% revenue, other cafe close by are down close to 85%.

There's a delicious irony in these people claiming to be the voice of the people when in fact they are sending some of the people broke and potentially losing others their jobs.

Anyone who goes up and protests should be very mindful of how they effect other peoples lives by their actions.

Anyone not protesting or supporting the protests should also be mindful of the effect they have on other peoples lives by their actions.

I will have to watch that tomorrow as I have no broadband at present (can't afford it!) I have been shaped.

Nice discussing with you Tyrone, Are you going up to the Seagulls Downunder meet up in Melbourne?

 

[brunswick]

ignorance may reign brunswick but why would you deliberately not share your facts about the banks? surely its not because you just make shit up?...........is it?

and [MENTION=599]beorhthelm[/MENTION]

simply because if you do not know 1 of these then the lesson is this: the internet and amazon and your free thinking mind are all vast places - and if you choose to spend most of you spare time doing other things than seeking truth about the reality you live in then maybe you need to look at yourself....or not.

in this i am sooooo wanting to post a big 5 or 10 that are brimming at my fingers. again, what i said in my last post would happen on this board, happened.....so predictable.

ok, i will give you one....i fell in....grrrr.

1) Banks lend people money.........therefore the borrower is led to believe the bank actually has the money. Due to fractional banking (a big research issue for those with time and the care) any bank can lend 10x what it actually has in reserve. So lie number 1 is the banks lend money at interest on money that has not, does not, and will not ever exist.

this is a big fat lie. it is criminal, the governments have no say, and the people have no say (but most of the people do not know).

i am not doing the other BIG 9, or the other 40....follow your nose, i have other debates with more educated people on the go elsewhere....... respect, B

 

[bhaexpress]

Who ? The Protesters ? No, just the usual bullshit that comes from your average rentaloser.

 

[BadFish]

http://railisimojoki.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/occupy-melbourne-neither-category-a-nor-b/

Interesting reading. Although I expect many won't bother as it is very long.