Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[dangull]

Don't be so sensitive TB, I wasn't criticising you or blaming you. I only quoted your post (not the other two) because that was all that was needed to add a different perspective. It doesn't matter who reported it, or if no one did and a mod saw it. It's fine if someone saw it and reported it because they found it offensive and in poor taste. I'm just saying it's possible he didn't mean it to come out the way it did, because the post before his wasn't very nice IMO.

I haven't been offended by the flippant tong in cheek comment in response to my post. My point is that human over population is causing a lot of damage to the planet, whether that's global warming or the current Anthropocene mass extinction caused by human activity. Any human death caused by this disease or others is a tragedy, but I was just suggesting that nature may at some point try to heal the planet in certain ways to control over population.

 

[Bozza]

I'm not suggesting panic buying, just a few extra bits in case there are supply problems. Your friend " who has a cupboard full of unwanted cans of basic crappy food " could still eat them or donate to a food bank. You go back a few years and people always had a few extra things such as half a pound of butter or a bag of sugar stashed away. When you see people with 28 pints of milk and 10 loaves of bread in their trolley then you know society is finished.

Exactly.

My mum's larder was perm-stocked with all manner of tinned shit. We just don't have that. We have what we need for a few days, give or take, and that's it. Pretty much everything in our cupboards is used frequently and replenished at the same rate.

 

[Mellotron]

Hopefully the worldwide efforts will prove enough to stop millions dying, but if they don't put in the effort then it's certain that many millions will die

This is really unhelpful sensationalism that isn't based in fact nor evidence.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Easily fixed:

Ref, he dived!

 

[Mellotron]

I see that one of the people quarantined on the diamond princess ( uk guy) has died...that makes 7.

7. (Seven).

Meanwhile, in the same time period (last 6 weeks)...

115.3 people have died from falling down the stairs.
27,692.3 people have been struck by lightning. Of which between 2,769 and 8,307 will have died.
51.9 have died (in the US alone!) from falling out of bed in the last 6 weeks.
6.2 people killed by DOGS in the US in that time. Dogs are about as dangerous as coronavirus.

Not having a go. Appreciate that's it not nice to think of elderly relatives who could be at risk (of all sorts of things, of course).

Just bringing some perspective.

 

[schmunk]

51.9 have died (in the US alone!) from falling out of bed in the last 6 weeks.

Imagine being 90% DEAD.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Imagine being 90% DEAD.

That'd be like living in Kettering.

 

[dingodan]

This is really unhelpful sensationalism that isn't based in fact nor evidence.

It does stand to reason, if you do nothing. Maybe even if you do something. Millions of deaths does sound extreme, but infection rates have been suggested as having the potential to reach 60-80% of the global population. If it hits just 10%, that is 780 million, of which 1% (best case) is 7.8 million deaths globally. If it were to reach 60% of the population, we would be looking at close to 50 million deaths.

"Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva on Tuesday.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

 

[Mellotron]

It does stand to reason, if you do nothing. Maybe even if you do something. Millions of deaths does sound extreme, but infection rates have been suggested as having the potential to reach 60-80% of the global population. If it hits just 10%, that is 780 million, of which 1% (best case) is 7.8 million deaths globally.

"Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva on Tuesday.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

None of this fits the fact that reported cases in China are going down - if it was even vaguely true, cases would be absolutely sky-rocketing there right now.

So it can't be multiplying at 2.5 in China, a place with far worse hygiene conditions than over here.

Since 17th February, there have been less active Coronavirus cases than the day before, day-on-day.

 

[gripper stebson]

At what point do we shut down the airports and ports.

Being an island may be quite helpful if it all gets bad.

I knew Brexit was great!!

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

That'd be like living in Kettering.

Thanks, just spat my coffee out! [emoji23]

 

[Is it PotG?]

Toppling vending machines kill around 13 people per year, and around 150 hapless souls get topped by falling coconuts.

 

[peterward]

I'm not suggesting panic buying, just a few extra bits in case there are supply problems. Your friend " who has a cupboard full of unwanted cans of basic crappy food " could still eat them or donate to a food bank. You go back a few years and people always had a few extra things such as half a pound of butter or a bag of sugar stashed away. When you see people with 28 pints of milk and 10 loaves of bread in their trolley then you know society is finished.

Tinned Heinz Spaghetti Bolognese and Pot Noodles..... Be like the student days 35 years ago.

 

[DumLum]

Imagine the meltdown on NSC if we dropped into the bottom three the week it was canned.

I would assume the season would be cancelled and we all start again in August. Barber/Bloom would be contacting the legal team otherwise.

 

[dingodan]

None of this fits the fact that reported cases in China are going down - if it was even vaguely true, cases would be absolutely sky-rocketing there right now.

So it can't be multiplying at 2.5 in China, a place with far worse hygiene conditions than over here.

Since 17th February, there have been less active Coronavirus cases than the day before, day-on-day.

The post you were responding to said, "Hopefully the worldwide efforts will prove enough to stop millions dying, but if they don't put in the effort...". China have hardly "done nothing".

They have gone to extremes which few if any other governments could or would go to.

If this thing was still contained in China we might be looking at the back end of this thing. But it isn't contained in China anymore, it isn't contained anywhere. The horse has bolted.

Unfortunately I can't see realistically how we could get to a point where the number of cases goes down day after day outside China now.

 

[peterward]

What because 15 people in the UK have a new type of cold? Ok then.

10 of those formerly in quarantine here have been discharged and now negative Inc the Brighton fella.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is really unhelpful sensationalism that isn't based in fact nor evidence.

I disagree. I don't think you've understood my post.

 

[peterward]

It does stand to reason, if you do nothing. Maybe even if you do something. Millions of deaths does sound extreme, but infection rates have been suggested as having the potential to reach 60-80% of the global population. If it hits just 10%, that is 780 million, of which 1% (best case) is 7.8 million deaths globally. If it were to reach 60% of the population, we would be looking at close to 50 million deaths.

"Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva on Tuesday.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

 

[Triggaaar]

Meanwhile, in the same time period (last 6 weeks)...

115.3 people have died from falling down the stairs.
27,692.3 people have been struck by lightning. Of which between 2,769 and 8,307 will have died.

So you're saying between 24,000 and 72,000 people die from lightning strikes per year.

Where are you getting those figures from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike

"Annual fatality tolls vary greatly. One estimate is that the annual global death toll is 6,000.

On the other hand, according to National Geographic, annually about 2,000 people are killed worldwide by lightning"

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

None of this fits the fact that reported cases in China are going down - if it was even vaguely true, cases would be absolutely sky-rocketing there right now.

So it can't be multiplying at 2.5 in China, a place with far worse hygiene conditions than over here.

Since 17th February, there have been less active Coronavirus cases than the day before, day-on-day.

Reported cases are going down precisely BECAUSE of extreme quarantining, closing of schools and businesses, curfews and stopping flights.

But then you have all these people saying 'its no worse than the flu' and 'get some perspective people', essentially saying that we should be carrying on as normal.

We can't have it both ways. Either we do nothing, and it will spread to every town in the world and kill a load of people, or we do all this extreme stuff and then suffer people going on about how it isn't very dangerous, cases are falling, more people die of eating baked beans or some-such.