Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Mellotron]

Good news - the COVID Symptom Tracker app - put out by Kings College London - has been updated and it is now possible to “back-date” symptoms. Glad they added this.

Also, from the app you can visit the website where there is a lot of very interesting data on there as to both national and local transmissions of the virus.

The number of cases of predicted symptomatic COVID has fallen from 2 million to 582,640 in just two weeks (01 April to 15 April) according to the latest data.

Also worth noting they say “symptomatic” so that would also leave out asymptomatic, of which we have no idea how many are, but it seems a sizeable proportion is possible to likely.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Is your missus in one of the nurses unions by any chance?

I've got a friend who's a midwife and this is the sort of nonsense she shares, all union propaganda. She's cancelled her TV licence and won't watch BBC because their reporting stopped Corbyn winning the election!

How dare NHS staff hate the the conservatives

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[Green Cross Code Man]

Good news - the COVID Symptom Tracker app - put out by Kings College London - has been updated and it is now possible to “back-date” symptoms. Glad they added this.

Also, from the app you can visit the website where there is a lot of very interesting data on there as to both national and local transmissions of the virus.



Also worth noting they say “symptomatic” so that would also leave out asymptomatic, of which we have no idea how many are, but it seems a sizeable proportion is possible to likely.

Thanks. I will try that again!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Also worth noting they say “symptomatic” so that would also leave out asymptomatic, of which we have no idea how many are, but it seems a sizeable proportion is possible to likely.

I know that, as Basil Fawlty said, I am stating the bleeding obvious., but the number of asymptomatic cases will only be known when widespread antibody testing gets going.

 

[dazzer6666]

Thanks to this lockdown, something I've just realised today is the complete and utter futility of my 5 hours a day commuting (3 days a week) and £500 a month travel expenses. I've now been working from home for a full month, and there hasn't been a single thing I could not do due to not being in the office.

Yep, think there will be some fundamental rethinking of working practices, including homeworking and the need (or otherwise) for so much international business travel. Not a good time to invest in City Centre office accommodation................

 

[dazzer6666]

How come people are going back to work a week after they've had the virus and Boris has gone on holiday?

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Um, people are typically going back after displaying symptoms, not so much after spending three nights in ITU.

 

[Billy the Fish]

How dare NHS staff hate the the conservatives

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They're allowed to hate them but the falsehoods and the lies need to be called out for what they are.

Do they only hate Conservatives because they believe every piece of bullshit they read in The Canary and the Morning star?

 

[Driver8]

If a mass of cars/folk head back into Snowdonia, the Peak and Lake Districts, I can see the police taking action. They won’t be able to prove journey against hike times, but they will limit people parking up if it gets silly.

People won’t get into Snowdonia at present. All the routes in have police stopping cars to check that their journey is essential and turning around those that aren’t. Anyone walking will therefore be locals.

 

[Mellotron]

Um, people are typically going back after displaying symptoms, not so much after spending three nights in ITU.

This. There’s a big difference between displaying symptoms - which a lot of infected people will - and going into ITU - which a minority of people will do.

 

[Notters]

Thanks to this lockdown, something I've just realised today is the complete and utter futility of my 5 hours a day commuting (3 days a week) and £500 a month travel expenses. I've now been working from home for a full month, and there hasn't been a single thing I could not do due to not being in the office.

Tell me about it! I'm saving about £600/month just on trains, petrol, childcare and sandwiches.

 

[Notters]

Good news - the COVID Symptom Tracker app - put out by Kings College London - has been updated and it is now possible to “back-date” symptoms. Glad they added this.

Also, from the app you can visit the website where there is a lot of very interesting data on there as to both national and local transmissions of the virus.



Also worth noting they say “symptomatic” so that would also leave out asymptomatic, of which we have no idea how many are, but it seems a sizeable proportion is possible to likely.

How do I find this? It doesn't come up if I search for COVID in the google play store?

Also, what should you report? Any possible symptoms? e.g. I had a very slight tickly cough for about three weeks - would that be included?

Edit: I have found it by searching for symptom tracker, but it's daft that it doesn't come up under covid.

Can't see how to back date symptoms.

It also asks "do you think you've had it, yes or no" - which I have no idea.

 

[Swansman]

How come people are going back to work a week after they've had the virus and Boris has gone on holiday?

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Do you know many who first went into intensive care and then back to work the week after?

In that case, tell them its not a healthy thing to do.

Next time you think Boris is just like one of us, this is where he's living compared to Corbyn's house.

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I've never put my foot on your island yet I know this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers

"Chequers, or Chequers Court, is the country house of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. A 16th-century manor house in origin, it is located near the village of Ellesborough, halfway between Princes Risborough and Wendover in Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom, at the foot of the Chiltern Hills."

Are you on Johnsons PR staff, doing reverse psychology? Because I think that whatever you are trying to convince people about, its probably having the reverse effect.

 

[Mellotron]

How do I find this? It doesn't come up if I search for COVID in the google play store?

Also, what should you report? Any possible symptoms? e.g. I had a very slight tickly cough for about three weeks - would that be included?

Edit: I have found it by searching for symptom tracker, but it's daft that it doesn't come up under covid.

Can't see how to back date symptoms.

It also asks "do you think you've had it, yes or no" - which I have no idea.

I think if you click yes, it then gives yes/no questions based on different symptoms.

I appreciate it's tricky for those feel right down the middle in terms of "Did I have it or not?". Did you have any other symptoms at all?

I believe they are continuing to update the app based on feedback, so you could contact them to request further options.

 

[pasty]

Tell me about it! I'm saving about £600/month just on trains, petrol, childcare and sandwiches.

I guess in a way I'm luckier than most, as although I've taken a "voluntary" 20% hourly working week reduction (and therefore pay cut), I'm roughly the same on net income as I'm not paying for travel to North London.

I say voluntary as we were "asked" to take it, but told the outcome of refusing could be worse!

 

[Birdie Boy]

Is your missus in one of the nurses unions by any chance?

I've got a friend who's a midwife and this is the sort of nonsense she shares, all union propaganda. She's cancelled her TV licence and won't watch BBC because their reporting stopped Corbyn winning the election!

Tell her it's a TV license and nothing to do with whether she watches BBC or not now.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Um, people are typically going back after displaying symptoms, not so much after spending three nights in ITU.

I wouldn't bother mate, he is a troll.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

How would Japan's recent uprise in case numbers relate to the virus being seasonal? Do you think Japan is an outlier?

Japan's 'uprise' in cases is neither here because I (along with everyone else) don't regard the absolute number of reported cases as reliable. That's why I have normalized cases to deaths in each country. What is important is the ratio of cases per deaths has gone down in Japan, in alignment with my measure of 'peaked'.

This has nothing to do with seasonality. It is expected the virus will be seasonal like any flu. This year the peak is going to be late (April/May - and I say April) because it started late. The first human exposure to the virus was around November - far to late for it to be possible for what we expect to be the natural seasonal peak in January. I wouldn't regard one northern hemisphere 'outlier' as an issue in a data base of 30 odd countries. But in fact as explained above Japan isn't an outlier.

Finally if I had the hypothesis that Covid is not seasonal I'd need to wait a year before collecting data since the gun was fired for the first time, globally, only late last year, setting the clock in a way that this year at least would delay the peak, as noted above.

 

[Mellotron]

Japan's 'uprise' in cases is neither here because I (along with everyone else) don't regard the absolute number of reported cases as reliable. That's why I have normalized cases to deaths in each country. What is important is the ratio of cases per deaths has gone down in Japan, in alignment with my measure of 'peaked'.

This has nothing to do with seasonality. It is expected the virus will be seasonal like any flu. This year the peak is going to be late (April/May - and I say April) because it started late. The first human exposure to the virus was around November - far to late for it to be possible for what we expect to be the natural seasonal peak in January. I wouldn't regard one northern hemisphere 'outlier' as an issue in a data base of 30 odd countries. But in fact as explained above Japan isn't an outlier.

Finally if I had the hypothesis that Covid is not seasonal I'd need to wait a year before collecting data since the gun was fired for the first time, globally, only late last year, setting the clock in a way that this year at least would delay the peak, as noted above.

This would suggest that - had the virus first turned up in, say, September last year, and spread over here in a big way by November, we'd potentially be looking at a far worse scenario now? That fortunately it turned up a bit late in the flu season, so to speak?

 

[LamieRobertson]

An interesting tweet from Prof Sikora today

Around 450 people die every day of cancer in the UK.

There is no peak and the numbers aren't coming down.

Unless we get control of the situation now, that will increase - potentially up to 60,000 unnecessary fatalities.

Cancer is relentless - we need to act now.


I think he’s referring to cancelled operations etc re cancer

 

[Notters]

Japan's 'uprise' in cases is neither here because I (along with everyone else) don't regard the absolute number of reported cases as reliable. That's why I have normalized cases to deaths in each country. What is important is the ratio of cases per deaths has gone down in Japan, in alignment with my measure of 'peaked'.

This has nothing to do with seasonality. It is expected the virus will be seasonal like any flu. This year the peak is going to be late (April/May - and I say April) because it started late. The first human exposure to the virus was around November - far to late for it to be possible for what we expect to be the natural seasonal peak in January. I wouldn't regard one northern hemisphere 'outlier' as an issue in a data base of 30 odd countries. But in fact as explained above Japan isn't an outlier.

Finally if I had the hypothesis that Covid is not seasonal I'd need to wait a year before collecting data since the gun was fired for the first time, globally, only late last year, setting the clock in a way that this year at least would delay the peak, as noted above.

Where are you getting the bit in bold from? Everything I've read suggests the opposite. CV isn't expected to be seasonal, at least at this stage, due to lack of immunity, the fact that most other coronaviruses aren't seasonal, etc.