Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Official Old Man]

SPAM
Annoyed that my inbox keeps getting emails from BBC News but in truth just spam and fishing. Cant block them as I may need BBC plus they are always from different email addresses.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

What's beginning to grate a bit with me is that at various times during this crisis we've told how we've got 'the best' this and the 'world class' that and how we are being driven by 'the science'. The various expert spokesman have exuded cool, calm, confidence and project the image that all is in hand and going to plan.
Then why are we (possibly) destined to have the highest number of deaths in Europe? We're also told by the politicians time and again that they are going to 'level' with us. Well, what's gone wrong and why hasn't enough been done about it?

It's all bollocks, we dont have the best of everything, it's almost as daft as something Trump would say, other countries are probably far superior in some aspects

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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Because the route we're going down is to just keep the NHS above water, whereas a tighter lockdown would mean fewer deaths now but a more difficult exit strategy, more long term impacts on the economy and more deaths long term from other illnesses?

Thanks. Well you could well be correct and it could well be a good plan. But it hasn't been articulated or shared with us as yet?

 

[sparkie]

This is from Peston and is a bit vaguely worded, but still worth considering.

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What our our scientists seeing in this drug that other scientists in the world have missed ?

From what I read the side effects arn't great.

 

[Surf's Up]

13%

 

[RossyG]

What our our scientists seeing in this drug that other scientists in the world have missed ?

From what I read the side effects arn't great.

I believe the side effects are mostly when it's mixed with other drugs.

Russia has bought a load - make of that what you will (and doctors being "required" to test it on themselves sounds sinister). https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...oven-malaria-drug-to-treat-coronavirus-a70025

There's also this study from France from a week ago: http://covexit.com/professor-didier...chloroquine-treatment-study-on-1061-patients/

But I've no idea if this stuff works or not. I hope so, obviously.

NB. There are other reports saying that the drug doesn't work.

 

[beorhthelm]

...Then why are we (possibly) destined to have the highest number of deaths in Europe?

some evangelize everything, some will bemoan everything. one person's view on that highest number i believe, but getting a lot of air time today.

 

[GT49er]

https://twitter.com/_PaulHayward/status/1251152473009516546?s=20


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A coronavirus testing station is expected to open at Brighton's Withdean Stadium. Cars have been removed by crane. A temporary mortuary is being built at Sussex University in Falmer.

Why a crane? Couldn't they just have told the owners to move them?

 

[RossyG]

Then why are we (possibly) destined to have the highest number of deaths in Europe?

After you take out the quirky little places like Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino, Britain has the third highest population density in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Netherlands has so far had 3,459 deaths from a population of 17.18 million.

Belgium has so far had 5,163 deaths from a population of 11.52 million.

The UK has had 14,576 deaths from a population of 66.02 million.

So per million, we're actually doing better than those two countries.

Fourth most densely populated is Germany with 4,125 deaths from a population of 82.98 million, which seems amazingly good.

Needless to say, the German figures are trumpeted by the media, but the Netherlands and Belgium figures are all but ignored. The media like to eliminate the positive and accentuate the negative.

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

After you take out the quirky little places like Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino, Britain has the third highest population density in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Netherlands has so far had 3,459 deaths from a population of 17.18 million.

Belgium has so far had 5,163 deaths from a population of 11.52 million.

The UK has had 14,576 deaths from a population of 66.02 million.

So per million, we're actually doing better than those two countries.

Fourth most densely populated is Germany with 4,125 deaths from a population of 82.98 million, which seems amazingly good.

Needless to say, the German figures are trumpeted by the media, but the Netherlands and Belgium figures are all but ignored. The media like to eliminate the positive and accentuate the negative.

How the hell can, in your opinion, ignoring countries with a high death rate be 'eliminating the positive '

Jeesus

 

[RossyG]

How the hell can, in your opinion, ignoring countries with a high death rate be 'eliminating the positive '

Jeesus

Because if we'd matched Belgium's death rate per million we'd have over 30,000 dead. We don't. That's a positive thing in my view. If you want to take offence at that, be my guest.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

After you take out the quirky little places like Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino, Britain has the third highest population density in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Netherlands has so far had 3,459 deaths from a population of 17.18 million.

Belgium has so far had 5,163 deaths from a population of 11.52 million.

The UK has had 14,576 deaths from a population of 66.02 million.

So per million, we're actually doing better than those two countries.

Fourth most densely populated is Germany with 4,125 deaths from a population of 82.98 million, which seems amazingly good.

Needless to say, the German figures are trumpeted by the media, but the Netherlands and Belgium figures are all but ignored. The media like to eliminate the positive and accentuate the negative.

Thanks for the data. But just to be clear, this wasn't 'the media' making this point; it was someone who is pretty respected in the field:

Professor Anthony Costello of University College London's Institute for Global Health has suggested that the UK "could see 40,000 deaths in this wave" of coronavirus cases.
He also warned that the country was "going to face further waves" of infections and said that the development of a vaccine was key in the fight against the virus.
His comments came as the UK's Health and Social Care Committee heard evidence - via video link - about the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

After you take out the quirky little places like Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino, Britain has the third highest population density in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Netherlands has so far had 3,459 deaths from a population of 17.18 million.

Belgium has so far had 5,163 deaths from a population of 11.52 million.

The UK has had 14,576 deaths from a population of 66.02 million.

So per million, we're actually doing better than those two countries.

Fourth most densely populated is Germany with 4,125 deaths from a population of 82.98 million, which seems amazingly good.

Needless to say, the German figures are trumpeted by the media, but the Netherlands and Belgium figures are all but ignored. The media like to eliminate the positive and accentuate the negative.

Where are you getting your population density data from?

 

[RossyG]

Thanks for the data. But just to be clear, this wasn't 'the media' making this point; it was someone who is pretty respected in the field:

Professor Anthony Costello of University College London's Institute for Global Health has suggested that the UK "could see 40,000 deaths in this wave" of coronavirus cases.
He also warned that the country was "going to face further waves" of infections and said that the development of a vaccine was key in the fight against the virus.
His comments came as the UK's Health and Social Care Committee heard evidence - via video link - about the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

He could well be right, but I suspect the word ‘could’ is the key word in that sentence. Even for the experts, estimating such things is a very inexact science. Professor Neil Ferguson predicted 200 million deaths from bird flu. Final figures were fewer than 500. Dr Fauci was very wide of the mark with his predictions for AIDS deaths in the 80s.

Thankfully they were both overestimating to a huge degree.

 

[RossyG]

Where are you getting your population density data from?

Wikipedia.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Thanks for the data. But just to be clear, this wasn't 'the media' making this point; it was someone who is pretty respected in the field:

Professor Anthony Costello of University College London's Institute for Global Health has suggested that the UK "could see 40,000 deaths in this wave" of coronavirus cases.
He also warned that the country was "going to face further waves" of infections and said that the development of a vaccine was key in the fight against the virus.
His comments came as the UK's Health and Social Care Committee heard evidence - via video link - about the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Each time I have either read that quote or heard it straight from his mouth, I have noticed that there is no time frame mentioned. 40,000 deaths in the context of a couple of years is a rather different figure than for the period ending in the next month or two. Given that the virus may/probably will return for new waves, not contextualisiing the comment is very unhelpful.

 

[Rodney Thomas]

Because if we'd matched Belgium's death rate per million we'd have over 30,000 dead. We don't. That's a positive thing in my view. If you want to take offence at that, be my guest.

We're not as bad a Belgium. Hardly good that positive, is it!

 

[Weststander]

After you take out the quirky little places like Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino, Britain has the third highest population density in Europe after the Netherlands and Belgium.

The Netherlands has so far had 3,459 deaths from a population of 17.18 million.

Belgium has so far had 5,163 deaths from a population of 11.52 million.

The UK has had 14,576 deaths from a population of 66.02 million.

So per million, we're actually doing better than those two countries.

Fourth most densely populated is Germany with 4,125 deaths from a population of 82.98 million, which seems amazingly good.

Needless to say, the German figures are trumpeted by the media, but the Netherlands and Belgium figures are all but ignored. The media like to eliminate the positive and accentuate the negative.

I mentioned the Belgium figures this week on NSC. Under the media radar, their per capital death toll is terrible.

 

[Weststander]

Thanks for the data. But just to be clear, this wasn't 'the media' making this point; it was someone who is pretty respected in the field:

Professor Anthony Costello of University College London's Institute for Global Health has suggested that the UK "could see 40,000 deaths in this wave" of coronavirus cases.
He also warned that the country was "going to face further waves" of infections and said that the development of a vaccine was key in the fight against the virus.
His comments came as the UK's Health and Social Care Committee heard evidence - via video link - about the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Costello is giving a professional estimate, others disagree with him or say it’s far too early to say that.

Whereas the shockingly high death toll in Belgium is a fact.

 

[RossyG]

We're not as bad a Belgium. Hardly good that positive, is it!

Or 15,000 lived. Depends how you look at it.