Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[The Wizard]

Life in Sweden going on as relatively normal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-coronavirus-lowest-daily-rise-fortnight.html

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

I imagine this rings true for a lot of people about the places they live in

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/opinion/coronavirus-new-york.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1Y5kT8W-i_r_VsAeU4WRLioBCzZf836nriZIRMDnONdJ9NT88MT1PjOxk

 

[Swansman]

Life in Sweden going on as relatively normal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-coronavirus-lowest-daily-rise-fortnight.html

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Forget those numbers, the hospitals have less staff on weekends meaning they dont prioritize registration of deaths, the numbers will be complemented on Monday & Tuesday. Numbers are more likely somewhere around 40-60 deaths.

 

[Swansman]

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And as for this, yup, and its going to be worse. We have massive spread in care homes, like in Italy. Almost all, if not all, of the 100 care/retirement homes in Stockholm got infected patients. Unlike in i.e. Norway and Denmark, our elderly care is more dedicated to life quality than health care aspects, meaning its impossible for the homes to give adequate healtchare.

In Norway you need to have two year (I think) education to work with elderly, in Sweden I could call today and start working tomorrow.

We have the lowest pensions in Scandinavia, the least staffed & educated elderly care, huge parts of it has been sold to American private companies that makes profit by making these homes more "efficient". We have no family values in this country and 30 years of politics that would make Thatcher and Rand wet even while six feet under.

The average age of covid deaths in Sweden is 81, far higher than anywhere else if I recall correctly.

I expect a big, fat rise in numbers of deaths in the nextcoming weeks. We should run out of ventilators by next weekend or so, and according to internal documents, no patients above 80 will get ventilators when this happens, as well as no patients over 60 with at least two serious health issues.

 

[The Wizard]

And as for this, yup, and its going to be worse. We have massive spread in care homes, like in Italy. Almost all, if not all, of the 100 care/retirement homes in Stockholm got infected patients. Unlike in i.e. Norway and Denmark, our elderly care is more dedicated to life quality than health care aspects, meaning its impossible for the homes to give adequate healtchare.

In Norway you need to have two year (I think) education to work with elderly, in Sweden I could call today and start working tomorrow.

We have the lowest pensions in Scandinavia, the least staffed & educated elderly care, huge parts of it has been sold to American private companies that makes profit by making these homes more "efficient". We have no family values in this country and 30 years of politics that would make Thatcher and Rand wet even while six feet under.

The average age of covid deaths in Sweden is 81, far higher than anywhere else if I recall correctly.

I expect a big, fat rise in numbers of deaths in the nextcoming weeks. We should run out of ventilators by next weekend or so, and according to internal documents, no patients above 80 will get ventilators when this happens, as well as no patients over 60 with at least two serious health issues.

Cheers for the input, good to hear from someone who has their boots on the ground somewhere else! There are many things that work in Sweden’s favour with attempting herd immunity, population density, independent living ect will be interesting to see if it goes ‘better’ for you than other similar countries.

This whole thing is such a balancing act, the longer the lockdown goes on the more I’ve begun to wonder what the true effect on society here in the U.K. will be long term if this does go on for say another month, the turmoil not just economically speaking but mentally for people could also cause thousands of deaths, I really believe that. Undoubtably this will save lives in the short term, but I do have questions about where we go ‘after’ this

 

[Swansman]

Cheers for the input, good to hear from someone who has their boots on the ground somewhere else! There are many things that work in Sweden’s favour with attempting herd immunity, population density, independent living ect will be interesting to see if it goes ‘better’ for you than other similar countries.

This whole thing is such a balancing act, the longer the lockdown goes on the more I’ve begun to wonder what the true effect on society here in the U.K. will be long term if this does go on for say another month, the turmoil not just economically speaking but mentally for people could also cause thousands of deaths, I really believe that. Undoubtably this will save lives in the short term, but I do have questions about where we go ‘after’ this

Yup, its very difficult to say. I agree with our PM when he says that we wont know what strategy is right or wrong until its over (not just this wave but the pandemic as a whole). There are obvious advantages and disadvantages with both ways of dealing with this, and unfortunately there is not one human being that knows the optimal way to deal with this situation.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is what I mean, no info whatsoever, but as I said I’ve no reason to disbelieve him either, he certainly wouldn’t make something like this up.....we been best mates for over 30 years, I’ll try and gain some info when I go out and report back, it may be something and nothing, or it could be massive !

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04315948?term=remdesivir&draw=3&rank=10#wrapper

This is a phase 3 which will be starting soon.

 

[Machiavelli]

Tremendous.

Very, very tremendous

 

[BN41Albion]

And as for this, yup, and its going to be worse. We have massive spread in care homes, like in Italy. Almost all, if not all, of the 100 care/retirement homes in Stockholm got infected patients. Unlike in i.e. Norway and Denmark, our elderly care is more dedicated to life quality than health care aspects, meaning its impossible for the homes to give adequate healtchare.

In Norway you need to have two year (I think) education to work with elderly, in Sweden I could call today and start working tomorrow.

We have the lowest pensions in Scandinavia, the least staffed & educated elderly care, huge parts of it has been sold to American private companies that makes profit by making these homes more "efficient". We have no family values in this country and 30 years of politics that would make Thatcher and Rand wet even while six feet under.

The average age of covid deaths in Sweden is 81, far higher than anywhere else if I recall correctly.

I expect a big, fat rise in numbers of deaths in the nextcoming weeks. We should run out of ventilators by next weekend or so, and according to internal documents, no patients above 80 will get ventilators when this happens, as well as no patients over 60 with at least two serious health issues.

Very interesting to hear your POV. In the UK, Sweden is pretty much seen as a socialist utopia. I suppose its not really surprising to hear that it has issues, just like all countries.

Hope your predictions don't become reality though.

 

[A1X]

Interesting Twitter thread on the difference between the Ireland and UK strategy on this and how one is seemingly working a lot better. The whole thread is worth a read but some highlights below;

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[TWEET]1249131143938613255[/TWEET]

[TWEET]1249133863504412672[/TWEET]

[TWEET]1249137540747100161[/TWEET]

[TWEET]1249139769281581057[/TWEET]

[TWEET]1249146606940798976[/TWEET]

There's loads more, that's just the standout stuff.

 

[RossyG]

Population of Ireland: 6.5m

Population of London: 9m

Those gatherings before the lockdown may have been ill advised, but to compare a sparsely populated country to one of the most densely populated in Europe is ridiculous.

 

[Bakero]

Population of Ireland: 6.5m

Population of London: 9m

Those gatherings before the lockdown may have been ill advised, but to compare a sparsely populated country to one of the most densely populated in Europe is ridiculous.

That was my first thought reading that too. Still, it can't be disputed that be decisions were made in the UK.

 

[dingodan]

Population of Ireland: 6.5m

Population of London: 9m

Those gatherings before the lockdown may have been ill advised, but to compare a sparsely populated country to one of the most densely populated in Europe is ridiculous.

I was just about to say the same thing.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I just Googled some figures on Ireland. The population density of Ireland is 72 people per KM2 v 430 in The UK. In the largest cities, the population density of Dublin, 4588, is actually higher than London at 4542 though. Cork is 3330 v 2500 in Belfast as well, but less v 3649 in Birmingham or 4716 in Manchester, by way of comparison in GB. Northern Ireland has roughly 39% of the total population of the island of Ireland, but only 33% of all reported Covid-19 deaths.

If you looked at it for hours, I think there are ways of presenting the figures as better or worse, simply depending on which ones you use.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Looks like Liverpool v Madrid, the Cheltenham Festival and the Cardiff Sterophonics concert will be boosting the death figures very shortly.

 

[Bakero]

That was my first thought reading that too. Still, it can't be disputed that be decisions were made in the UK.

*Bad decisions

This timeline of the government's response is pretty damning https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/...ts-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

 

[BN41Albion]

Population of Ireland: 6.5m

Population of London: 9m

Those gatherings before the lockdown may have been ill advised, but to compare a sparsely populated country to one of the most densely populated in Europe is ridiculous.

This. Simply can't compare the two

Edit: just had a quick look at her twitter page. Christ she has a right stick up her arse.

 

[Solid at the back]

Looks like Liverpool v Madrid, the Cheltenham Festival and the Cardiff Sterophonics concert will be boosting the death figures very shortly.

And then those who were infected by those attending those events. Our government have (and continue to do so) really let us down. An absolute disgrace.

Dominic Cummings convinced Boris that herd immunity was the way to go? If that's the case he needs to be held accountable for this Monumental disaster.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I also think comparing country v country is very difficult when there are so many differentials to consider - standard and type of health care system, number of ICU beds, start of lockdown, level of lockdown, socio-economic factors, cultural ones, geographical ones, the way data is collected and deaths are reported, number of tests per % of the population being carried out etc, etc.

It's also all well and good here queuing up 2 metres apart to get into a supermarket, to then just let twatery commence when inside and not observe social distancing, or think 'sod it' and go out for a BBQ yesterday as the weather is nice, so people's response to lock-down and it's enforcement, or lack of it, is one as well.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I also think comparing country v country is very difficult when there are so many differentials to consider - standard and type of health care system, number of ICU beds, start of lockdown, level of lockdown, socio-economic factors, cultural ones, geographical ones, the way data is collected and deaths are reported, number of tests per % of the population being carried out etc, etc.

It's also all well and good here queuing up 2 metres apart to get into a supermarket, to then just let twatery commence when inside and not observe social distancing, or think 'sod it' and go out for a BBQ yesterday as the weather is nice, so people's response to lock-down and it's enforcement, or lack of it, is one as well.

"Lies, damn lies and statistics."

I love a stat but the quote has never been more true than now.

I think the only guaranteed fact that we can agree on is that the USA has made a complete and utter bollocks of this situation. The rest of it, we'll have to wait and see.

It will take years to collate real data, and even then it won't be completely accurate.

The stuff we're seeing at the moment is "best guess" at best. Which is completely understandable. What else can anyone do?