political pundits said Johnson was gone for months before he actually went. even then they made a hash of it. think Truss will be around until at least the spring for others to sort out what alternative they want.
It isn't just on here though.
You might be right.
well thats half the problem isnt it? politicans trying to reduce hugely complex issues into a soundbite. insulation policies proposed would cost tens of billions and take a decade, many homes probably already up to spec, savings would be order of maybe few hundreds, difficult to justify for many. so need targeted delivery and clear messaging on the overall benefits. we dont hear any of this, just "insulate the nation to save us this winter!". some object to the detail, while some rant about how evil objectors are. sensible discussion gives way to polarised positions, the majority switch off and tune it out.
You replied "And Covid hasn't cost 'countless billions'.". It did / has regardless of Brexit supposedly costing more. It was the falsehood you posted I was pointing out.Nobody is ignoring anything, they are part of the figures that make up the 2% of GDP
Although the OBR have now been told to ignore the cost of Brexit, stop reporting it and only report (some more cynical than myself might say 'hide') all figures within the normal overall Government department figures.
I will do this once more and then leave it so as not to take the thread off topic. It's not 'countless billions' because the OBR has counted it and put a figure on it of 2% of GDP, hence not 'countless' because it has been counted
For anyone else then, I didn’t attack you or your point in which you asked about honest politicians and I made a point about an honest press - that was the debate I opened, but you are focussed on the answer of an MP who’s name you can’t remember and talk about putting this in the Bear Pit. Reading back, why are you posting on this thread if you don’t want a reply that isn’t gushing in agreement. I’ve not even disagreed as such, just made a point about the difficult position in adhoc interviews with surprise questions.
It’s a very complex subject that I wouldn’t necessarily expect a random MP put on the spot to have the specific answers to. Reading a bit further I think they expect that 19m insulated homes reduces your gas imports by 15% - again quite how you get to that I don’t know but makes sense you’re significantly reducing heating demand.
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The side of the Tory Party that was pushing for Leave, is the side that has control of the Party now, because Leave won. They tried a more sensible PM in Theresa May, but she was not Brexity enough for the ERG, she tried a less damaging set of arrangements (that sooner or later we will probably implement on the way back to a closer relationship with the EU). What we have had since is a government made up of those who don't believe in Brexit, but will say or do anything to further their career (Johnson and now Truss), true believers, which by definition means fools as far as I am concerned, because sensible people would just keep objecting to the madness, and very wealthy men for whom Brexit does make some sense. They could have given us Sunak this time and it would have been less terrible, but until they can get away from hard lines on what a leader can agree with the EU, we will be hampered.
i do. or, if they cant critique specific detail or put forward sensible alternative, they should stay out. instead of parroting some trite slogans that ignore many details. the sound bite has impoverished our politics, slogans matter more than actual policy now.
Maybe I am old fashioned, but I expect all MPs to know the specifics of their own party's policies. In fact, that should be the bare minimum I would expect - they should also have a good grasp of the other parties policies too.
You said "countless billions" and then attached figures, do you see?
As I said earlier what has impoverished our politics is a less than truthful press, jumping at every twist, miss read, or interpretation they can find. If you can parade a bus with a blatant lie with no consequence, what chance is there for a politician wishing to give a detailed honest answer knowing the slightest misstep will be pounced upon.
Did Bozza just flounce?
Insulating homes has an ongoing benefit, you don't need to keep insulating the same homes, so that portion is fully costed. If the holding down of a price cap is costing government, we would have to assume that means that the energy producers continue to be making vast profits, so I assume they would tax the next windfall again if necessary. Reducing demand by insulating should do something to ease the supply costs anyway.The plan Labour pushed a few weeks ago wasn’t too much different to the one Truss announced, the funding had only been costed for 6 months and nothing beyond that, it mainly involved trying to cover the whole cost by a windfall tax which won’t really touch the sides.
The funding/costing was also questioned
Labour’s plan to cut energy bills ‘may cost £60 billion’
Labour claims plan would protect households from energy bill rise ‘entirely’
I’m not sure either party has much of an idea.
whats happening here is using events to drive another agenda. nationalisation doesnt help renewable cost unless you change the way market pricing is strucutured (largely to help renewables 20yrs ago). if you change the market structure, you dont need to nationalise.
Thing is, it turns out “the wants” of those who didn’t want Brexit were correct. Should have listened ti us…..
In fairness to them all, when they are interviewed, they are goaded into doing this by journalists. Even on BBC. If a labour MP dares to criticise the government then interviewer demands to know exactly what labour would do to three decimal places, and then demands to know if this is costed (etc etc). They would do exactly the same if labour were in power and the tories were in opposition, mind - I don't regard the mainstream media as biased. But they do enjoy making politicians squirm, or force them to nail a policy to a mast as a hostage to fortune so they can mock them months later.
