JT - Stand down or not

[Stumpy Tim]

Where's that then , I've not seen it reported anywhere ? He's also big pals with Wright-Phillips so i find it difficult to believe he is the racist that some would portray him as .

Well here for starters - the first article I looked at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16866149

I don't know if he is a racist or not, and don't really care. I do care about his presence disrupting the England squad for Euro 2012, and he's not good enough a player to take if he's going to be a divisive personality - which I think he is

 

[Tricky Dicky]

If someone said to me "Did you call me a black ****?" it is perfectly reasonable to respond with "do you really think I'd call you a black ****?"

Really ? If someone has pulled you up like that, it would be obvious they don't like it, so the first thing you do is repeat it to them ? I don't think I would.

 

[Common as Mook]

Really ? If someone has pulled you up like that, it would be obvious they don't like it, so the first thing you do is repeat it to them ? I don't think I would.

Maybe you wouldn't but you are reading FAR to much into it to think that that second sentence is in any way unacceptable.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

A wrong 'un from a family of wrong 'uns (surprise, surprise). If he had a iota of sense & decency he would've stepped down before now. I'm glad The FA have finally made the correct decision (for a change) - otherwise we'd without doubt be witnessing that thoroughly dis-likable oaf leading out our hapless mob in the Summer.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Really ? If someone has pulled you up like that, it would be obvious they don't like it, so the first thing you do is repeat it to them ? I don't think I would.

Totally agree. Unless you're looking to antagonise, then you're not repeating the term back to the person that has taken offence, even if they heard you incorrectly. The fact is, Terry's defence is based on the fact that he did say something to Ferdinand which upset him, just not the racial term, which he then repeated anyway. If he is not guilty of racial abuse, he is guilty of being an idiot.

 

[Commander]

If I was Fabio, I wouldn't take him at all. But if he was a different player and a different character but with the same ability, then I would. I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that he isn't in the top 4 or 5 centre backs in the country. But the problem is, he is a massively strong character, a leader, a captain. He will undermine anyone else who is chosen to be captain. And if Rio genuinely thinks JT racially abused his brother, then there is going to be an issue with them, and the other black players. We'd be better off having a united dressing room with less ability, than better players and a poisonous atmosphere in the dressing room. We've seen time and time again with the Netherlands and others that this doesn't work.

Innocent until proven guilty maybe, but I don't think anyone really denies that Terry is a prick, and if him getting a bit hard done by and missing out on the Euros a bit unfairly means we end up winning the tournament, then I for one do not give a shit. I'm sure his £150,000 a week will go some way to consoling him.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If I was Fabio, I wouldn't take him at all. But if he was a different player and a different character but with the same ability, then I would. I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that he isn't in the top 4 or 5 centre backs in the country. But the problem is, he is a massively strong character, a leader, a captain. He will undermine anyone else who is chosen to be captain. And if Rio genuinely thinks JT racially abused his brother, then there is going to be an issue with them, and the other black players. We'd be better off having a united dressing room with less ability, than better players and a poisonous atmosphere in the dressing room. We've seen time and time again with the Netherlands and others that this doesn't work.

Innocent until proven guilty maybe, but I don't think anyone really denies that Terry is a prick, and if him getting a bit hard done by and missing out on the Euros a bit unfairly means we end up winning the tournament, then I for one do not give a shit. I'm sure his £150,000 a week will go some way to consoling him.

I agree, and keep hearing this "Innocent until proven Guilty", but this is only applicable in law and in securing a conviction, this doesn't apply to the application of suspensions or other measures whilst someone is investigated or awaiting trials etc. His stripping of the captaincy and potential dropping from the team has nothing to do with Law in that sense, and is a matter for his employers, in this case the FA.

At the World Cup he sprung a press conference by saying who should be picked for the next game, then against Germany promptly produced possibly one of the worst defensive displays of an England side at a tournament finals. I'd rather see Cahill, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Lescott, Dawson in the squad and accept their potential mistakes, than have a proven disruptive influence in the team. (I'd leave Ferdinand at home as well).

 

[aolstudios]

If I was Fabio, I wouldn't take him at all. But if he was a different player and a different character but with the same ability, then I would. I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that he isn't in the top 4 or 5 centre backs in the country. But the problem is, he is a massively strong character, a leader, a captain. He will undermine anyone else who is chosen to be captain. And if Rio genuinely thinks JT racially abused his brother, then there is going to be an issue with them, and the other black players. We'd be better off having a united dressing room with less ability, than better players and a poisonous atmosphere in the dressing room. We've seen time and time again with the Netherlands and others that this doesn't work.
Innocent until proven guilty maybe, but I don't think anyone really denies that Terry is a prick, and if him getting a bit hard done by and missing out on the Euros a bit unfairly means we end up winning the tournament, then I for one do not give a shit. I'm sure his £150,000 a week will go some way to consoling him.

can't argue with any of this

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

If I was Fabio, I wouldn't take him at all. But if he was a different player and a different character but with the same ability, then I would. I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that he isn't in the top 4 or 5 centre backs in the country. But the problem is, he is a massively strong character, a leader, a captain. He will undermine anyone else who is chosen to be captain. And if Rio genuinely thinks JT racially abused his brother, then there is going to be an issue with them, and the other black players. We'd be better off having a united dressing room with less ability, than better players and a poisonous atmosphere in the dressing room. We've seen time and time again with the Netherlands and others that this doesn't work.

Innocent until proven guilty maybe, but I don't think anyone really denies that Terry is a prick, and if him getting a bit hard done by and missing out on the Euros a bit unfairly means we end up winning the tournament, then I for one do not give a shit. I'm sure his £150,000 a week will go some way to consoling him.

Yep.

 

[User removed 4]

Well here for starters - the first article I looked at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16866149

I don't know if he is a racist or not, and don't really care. I do care about his presence disrupting the England squad for Euro 2012, and he's not good enough a player to take if he's going to be a divisive personality - which I think he is

Leave off, you posted this " It's been widely reported that black players in the England squad have asked the PFA to take a strong stance against Terry " , all you've come up with is a bit of unfounded conjecture from a BBC report,yes the BBC , the organisation that makes opus dei look like a WI coffee morning in it's capacity for self flagellation when it comes to matters of race and patronising black people.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

No-one here knows whether he is a rascist or not - the court will decide whether he made a rascist act. And I bet he has a lot more black mates than most of us on here. But what he is is a divisive personality and not a good enough player to make it worth compensating for.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Leave off, you posted this " It's been widely reported that black players in the England squad have asked the PFA to take a strong stance against Terry " , all you've come up with is a bit of unfounded conjecture from a BBC report,yes the BBC , the organisation that makes opus dei look like a WI coffee morning in it's capacity for self flagellation when it comes to matters of race and patronising black people.

I haven't got time to go to every news site in the world

 

[Bold Seagull]

Leave off, you posted this " It's been widely reported that black players in the England squad have asked the PFA to take a strong stance against Terry " , all you've come up with is a bit of unfounded conjecture from a BBC report,yes the BBC.

I love posts like the one I'm about to make (so this is made with some hypocrisy), however a good friend of mine's brother-in-law is a physio in the England set up and said the same thing with regard to Terry being disruptive and unpopular. This was compounded by the Bridge affair, and then worsened when, not even captain, he went into a press conference at the world cup and called for another player to be picked for the next game. Of course this meant that he believed another player should be dropped, which is why professional players shouldn't be commenting on selection or managerial matters. To do it publicly at a world cup finals, neither endorsed by his captain at the time, or any of the other senior players was unforgivable in a lot of the players eyes.

I'm not asking you to take my post as anything but hearsay, but there is enough mud to suggest there is a fair amount of truth in him not being particularly popular within the England camp.

 

[User removed 4]

I haven't got time to go to every news site in the world

Well dont quote it as "widely reported" then !

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

i think it's in the interest of what the FA and FIFA markets as 'fair play' then he should have to. We are the home of football as the English Team, no matter what FIFA says, England and Wembley are the home of football, and a good home isn't a home at all if your guest has been made to feel unwelcome. Footballers should have the privilege to compete with one another in unity, no matter what colour or creed.

England aren't the best national team but again, as the real home of world football, they should be setting a welcoming example to the world.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why? Who's assuming they've stripped him of the captaincy because they think he's guilty? Maybe he's been stripped of it because he is a very divisive figure who constantly causes problems within the squad?

This.

 

[User removed 4]

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[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Can someone tell me WHY the trial was postponed?

(According to the Radio it was at Chelsea's request)

IMO, he's innocent till proven otherwise, and there is plenty of time to have a trial before the Euros.



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[Stumpy Tim]

Well dont quote it as "widely reported" then !

I have seen it reported elsewhere. To be honest, you're too much of an ingrained racist to bother wasting my time with so let's leave it there

 

[Woodchip]

I have seen it reported elsewhere. To be honest, you're too much of an ingrained racist to bother wasting my time with so let's leave it there

Don't you mean inbred instead of ingrained?

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