JT - Stand down or not

[Sarisbury Seagull]

He shouldn't need to step down, the captaincy should be taken from him and he should be dropped from the squad.

Yes he is innocent until proven guilty and I really hope he is innocent of racism in this day and age but bad news follows him around and he will always be a negative influence on the squad. He is clearly not a very pleasant person and if a miracle did happen and we won the Euros I wouldn't like him to be the one lifting the trophy. Aside from that, I actually don't rate him as a player anymore and don't think he's good enough to start.

 

[KZNSeagull]

The art of being a good leader is knowing when you are not being a positive influence on the things/people around you. At that point its time to get out.

I firmly believe he should step down/back and if he was half as good as he believes he is then he would make that decision quickly.

Absolutely this.

I have no idea who is advising him, but they are clearly foolish. Innocent or guilty, he should step down now.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

He has now been stripped of captaincy.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Absolutely this.

I have no idea who is advising him, but they are clearly foolish. Innocent or guilty, he should step down now.

Do you imagine that Terry has advisers ? That he listens to ?

 

[Common as Mook]

If he is found innocent, all hell is going to break loose.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I can't stand the bloke,

BUT I thought in this Country you were innocent until proved otherwise

IMO delaying the trial until afterthe Euros was a MASSIVE mistake.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

If he is found innocent, all hell is going to break loose.

Why ? Teachers or Police are suspended pending investigations etc. and reinstated with no effect if found innocent. It's not a guilty verdict decreed by the FA - in fact they would have to be very sure they weren't liable to make the trial unfair and be in contempt.

 

[Common as Mook]

Why ? Teachers or Police are suspended pending investigations etc. and reinstated with no effect if found innocent. It's not a guilty verdict decreed by the FA - in fact they would have to be very sure they weren't liable to make the trial unfair and be in contempt.

He isn't in a role like a policeman or teacher. They are very sensitive roles. Footballers aren't!

It wouldnt surprise me if he tried to take legal action, rightly or wrongly. Legal eagles may be able to correct me but wouldn't this decision affect a criminal case as well? There is a presumption of guilt in stripping someone of captaincy.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

He isn't in a role like a policeman or teacher. They are very sensitive roles. Footballers aren't!

It wouldnt surprise me if he tried to take legal action, rightly or wrongly. Legal eagles may be able to correct me but wouldn't this decision affect a criminal case as well? There is a presumption of guilt in stripping someone of captaincy.

I would say representing your country as captain ought to be very sensitive. Re the criminal case, that's what I said about them ensuring what they did wasn't going to affect the trial.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Terry's case is quite unique in that it doesn't involve an external matter, it involves another footballer, albeit not one in the squad. I suspect the FA's case, quite rightly, is not to do with his innocence or guilt, as yet unproven, but regarding the utter media CIRCUS that would have surrounded him if he captained the side, and the fact that would inevitably distract from the team's (already minimal) chances of success at Euro 2012. Particularly because- as is his right- he is standing his ground and refusing to step down.

Personally I think he's overrated and past it, but purely in terms of minimising the hype, I believe the FA have, for once, called this one correctly.

 

[Mellotron]

If he is found innocent, all hell is going to break loose.

Not really. Common consensus is that he shouldn't have gotten the captaincy back in the first place.

 

[Mellotron]

There is a presumption of guilt in stripping someone of captaincy.

Why? Who's assuming they've stripped him of the captaincy because they think he's guilty? Maybe he's been stripped of it because he is a very divisive figure who constantly causes problems within the squad?

 

[Mellotron]

Double post.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

I know legal process has to take its course and all that, but is there really anybody who has seen the clip from the game and thinks he's innocent? I mean, you don't have to be the greatest lip reader to see what he's saying.

A captain has to lead his team. I don't think Terry's capable of leading an England team which will contain a substantial number of black and mixed-race players. If I was Theo Walcott or whoever, I'd find it very hard to show Terry the sort of respect a captain needs, having seen that clip (and you can be certain he has seen it).

And yes, I know the same's true of the Chelsea team, and their black players seemingly don't have a problem with him, but that's the business of that club and its fans. The England team is the business of all of us, presuming you're an England supporter of some sort.

 

[Common as Mook]

I know legal process has to take its course and all that, but is there really anybody who has seen the clip from the game and thinks he's innocent? I mean, you don't have to be the greatest lip reader to see what he's saying.

A captain has to lead his team. I don't think Terry's capable of leading an England team which will contain a substantial number of black and mixed-race players. If I was Theo Walcott or whoever, I'd find it very hard to show Terry the sort of respect a captain needs, having seen that clip (and you can be certain he has seen it).

And yes, I know the same's true of the Chelsea team, and their black players seemingly don't have a problem with him, but that's the business of that club and its fans. The England team is the business of all of us, presuming you're an England supporter of some sort.

He doesn't deny using the term "black ****". He said he was arguing with Ferdinand and said "do you really think I called you a black ****"

 

[Falkor]

I got a feeling and hope he might quit international football.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

It's been widely reported that black players in the England squad have asked the PFA to take a strong stance against Terry. Given that's a third of the squad are black I don't see how he could keep the captaincy, or even be in the squad. It's time to call an end on his England career.

 

[User removed 4]

It's been widely reported that black players in the England squad have asked the PFA to take a strong stance against Terry. Given that's a third of the squad are black I don't see how he could keep the captaincy, or even be in the squad. It's time to call an end on his England career.

Where's that then , I've not seen it reported anywhere ? He's also big pals with Wright-Phillips so i find it difficult to believe he is the racist that some would portray him as .

 

[Bold Seagull]

He doesn't deny using the term "black ****". He said he was arguing with Ferdinand and said "do you really think I called you a black ****"

It's such a weak argument. Unless you were intentionally trying to provoke, you would only ever reply "do you really think I would call you that?". You wouldn't repeat the offensive term if you yourself believed it to be offensive. That is just daft.

 

[Common as Mook]

It's such a weak argument. Unless you were intentionally trying to provoke, you would only ever reply "do you really think I would call you that?". You wouldn't repeat the offensive term if you yourself believed it to be offensive. That is just daft.

If someone said to me "Did you call me a black ****?" it is perfectly reasonable to respond with "do you really think I'd call you a black ****?"