JT - Stand down or not

[ROSM]

The art of being a good leader is knowing when you are not being a positive influence on the things/people around you. At that point its time to get out.

I firmly believe he should step down/back and if he was half as good as he believes he is then he would make that decision quickly.

At the last world cup you may recall the furore caused by his press conference where he criticised the training camp etc. What wasnt clear at the time but I have on very good authority, was that he had been moaning around the whole campe for weeks. The players were getting fed up with it and when he was on press conference duty he said he was going to raise it and asked if the players backed him. They all said they did (although they didnt) and let him take a pratfall in public.

Anybody who doesnt think that his inclusion would be anything less than divisive given the above scenario plus what has happened subsequently (which is still unproven one way or another) is living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[shaolinpunk]

I can't stand Terry. He's not good enough for international football (certainly not to captain the side) and he seems like an utter bellend.

However, innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty then sure, strip him of captaincy and drop him from the England team - it'll be a good day for everyone. But until then, we should assume he didn't do it.

Are people saying that he shouldn't be captain or even be in the squad because of these allegations also of the opinion that Dunk et al shouldn't play for us while investigations into allegations surrounding them are ongoing?

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

If he believes he is innocent and knows he is innocent then of course he should not step down

This. He's innocent until proven guilty.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Until/If hes proven guilty, he should stay captain - although most people can easy see through the TV replays what he said so good luck to him getting out of it.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

This. He's innocent until proven guilty.

There are many professions where you are suspended during any allegation, guilty or innocent, e.g. Teaching, I believe, and this guy is supposed to be representing his country. He should not be playing for England while this is going on. And again, he's now crap anyway.

 

[c0lz]

From any particular height

Ha ha

The higher the better.

 

[sten_super]

IMHO, Terry should step down for the good of the team. I agree with the mantra 'innocent until proven guilty' but if his role is divisive (and I find it very difficult to believe it isn't) then it would be best for the team if he stepped down. Unfortunately, he appears to have an ego the size of France and will do not what is best for his national team but what is best for John Terry.

I thoroughly do not believe that he should be 'forced' to step down, by anyone apart from the coach (who could justly argue that he's stripping him of the captaincy for exactly the reason I outline above).

 

[Albumen]

Nice to see you don't pre judge in any way whatsoever and have no personal opinions about Mr Terry

None at all.

I can't support England with him as captain, never have done.

 

[keaton]

There are many professions where you are suspended during any allegation, guilty or innocent, e.g. Teaching, I believe, and this guy is supposed to be representing his country. He should not be playing for England while this is going on. And again, he's now crap anyway.

With teaching it's mostly a case of child protection or a job where having a criminal record would make you unable to do it.
You can be a convicted murderer and still play football.

Dunk represents Brighton, should we drop him?

 

[rouseytastic]

Interesting thread.

Personally i don't think he should stand down for simply being accused. I was accused of something once but was still allowed to work and do my job day in day out. But, he shouldn't be captain in my opinion for a number of reasons, namely because he's been proven in more ways than one to be a f*cking horrible bloke for a number of reasons. Fabio should never have reinstated him and from what i understand he is hardly universally liked or respected within the dressing room.

 

[Falkor]

Will be stood down this weekend by the FA according to the BBC

 

[JBizzle]

Terry should never have been reinstalled as Captain anyway. Personally, I actually think its a somewhat archaic tradition as in England it seems to make the captain "undroppable" and Terry's form has not been worthy of an England place for a while...

As for this example, he's in court on a racism charge and until he's proven innocent he should not be captain.

He should take the step himself before the FA pushes Capello (again).

Sent by the power of Gus' tactical genius

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Will be stood down this weekend by the FA according to the BBC

If true - best thing that could happen for the squad.

 

[Falkor]

BBC Sport - John Terry: FA set to remove England captaincy

 

[cloud]

The FA has now announced that he will be stripped of his captaincy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16866149

 

[sten_super]

If true - best thing that could happen for the squad.

Hmmm, I'd agree that it may be the best thing for the squad, but I think it's a completely screwy way of dealing with the situation. Given that they didn't remove the captaincy from him as soon as the allegations are made they look completely indecisive, bowing to public pressure, and as stated above I don't think it's their decision to make (unless he is proven guilty) - it is for the player and the manager to decide.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Hmmm, I'd agree that it may be the best thing for the squad, but I think it's a completely screwy way of dealing with the situation. Given that they didn't remove the captaincy from him as soon as the allegations are made they look completely indecisive, bowing to public pressure, and as stated above I don't think it's their decision to make (unless he is proven guilty) - it is for the player and the manager to decide.

We have learnt not to expect the FA (or any football authorities) to do things the right way. Capello had boxed himself into a corner by re-appointing Terry (God knows why) and the bloke himself was never going to give it up (he cares more about himself than the squad). Regardless of how it has come about - it is the right thing for our chances at the Euros.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

The FA are right to suspend Terry from the Captaincy whilst he is under investigation. Not a presumption of guilt but reflects that allegations of racism in football it is not a trivial matter. Otherwise it gives the wrong message about the FA's kick out racism campaign. The England captain should be squeaky clean etc.

Let JT's footballing form decide whether he still gets selected in the squad. Lately he hasn't been very good so only himself to blame if he gets dropped on footballing grounds.

Personally I hope this helps bring his England career to a close as I don't feel he is the player he was or is a positive influence to have around the squad, there is too much baggage around him and the Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard Chelsea mafia, let alone Rooney, Carroll etc. I would love to see a good role model like Scott Parker get the Captaincy and its a shame he isn't 5 years younger as he would do a steady job .

 

[mugstud]

I think the FA have no choice but to do this. They must presume his guilt not his innocence as should he play in the euro's and captain the team to glory (very unlikely I know) then soon after be found guilty in court, with the FA's supposed hard line stance on racism and the fact we have been looking down our noses at the rest of the world would make us a laughing stock and the damage it would do to the kick it out campaign would be irrep.... irrepai.... Errr beyond repair.

 

[Seagulls Dan]

All the time he is denying the offence, it would be suicidal for him to stand down as captain. I dont like the bloke and imagine he probably did do it, but uintil proven guilty he should remain as captain.