Is Adam Virgo undropable?

[Pavilionaire]

It is a valid point that Virgo doesn't have a natural place in our 1st XI.

I really rate Whing at RB. The way I look at it if there does turn out to be one or two reasons why we don't get promoted this season it won't be because of Whing at RB, Elphick or Hawkins at CB.

Injuries, suspensions and tiredness will guarantee that Virgo gets plenty of game time. I'm sure he'll end playing in 3 or 4 positions and his versatility will win him the admiration of the squad.

Ultimately, though, he needs to show he is a better player than Hawkins, Elphick or Lynch because he might get through one season as a bit-part player but he can't go on like this.

 

[algie]

I wonder why Murray has only scored 1 goal this season

1) Is it his work rate?

2) His pace?

3) Or perhaps teams have relised that if you stick someone close to him then he is pretty much useless?

All 3 i reckon

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You obviously didnt watch the games vs Bristol Rovers and Orient where virtually every attack was down our right.

We did well to concede just the one penalty in that case. Attacks down a certain side do not always suggest a weakness of the opposing team, sometimes it suggest a strength of the visiting team.

 

[Easy 10]

Partnerships

Only one man is working hard and banging in the goals Dave.

Well lets take a look at the Forster / murray combo this season then.

Crewe: Flick-on from murray to put him clean through for the winner
Barnet: Lovely little pass to set up Forster
Bristol: Suspended
Southend: Got on the scoresheet himself, as did Forster
Orient: Didn't do much, but then neither did many of them
Northampton: Dunno, sounded like he had a decent game though

So in 3 out of the 5 games they've played this season, murray has either combined to set up Forster, or banged one in himself.


No further questions.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I wonder why Murray has only scored 1 goal this season

1) Is it his work rate?

2) His pace?

3) Or perhaps teams have relised that if you stick someone close to him then he is pretty much useless?

All 3 i reckon

I didn't go to Crewe or Northampton, but I have been to the rest of them. He hasn't scored more than one as he hasn't had a great deal of chances. He has enough to do feeding Forster, rather than creating a glut of chances for himself. The midfield have to take responsiblity somewhere.

He almost scored against Orient with a nice move and this would not be an issue if he had got a bit more of his boot on the ball.

You seem quite content to write off Murray. As soon as McLeod is back in the side properly, he will start banging the goals in. It doesn't take a genius to work out that he needs a better supply.

 

[Mendoza]

Southend: Got on the scoresheet himself
.

Rubbish. Revell on the other hand ran around like a headless chicken, putting in a shocking tackle on Kuipers, hit the post and ran around somemore

Thats what you want in a striker and makes him clearly better than Murray who just scores and sets up goals

 

[algie]

Well lets take a look at the Forster / murray combo this season then.

Crewe: Flick-on from murray to put him clean through for the winner
Barnet: Lovely little pass to set up Forster
Bristol: Suspended
Southend: Got on the scoresheet himself
Orient: Didn't do much, but then neither did many of them

So in 3 out of the 4 games this season, murray has either combined to set up Forster, or banged one in himself.


No further questions.

Who's to say Virgo couldn't do that? I bet my life on it Virgo will win more headers and flicks then Murray if stuck upfront.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Murray is the sort of striker who is a decent finisher but needs service. He is not a workaholic runner like Forster, so when the service isn't there he can look shit.

If McLeod, Murray and Forster play enough games together they'll score plenty, but I think we still need a wide right player to provide the width a nd crosses Murray needs.

 

[Skaville]

Murray is the sort of striker who is a decent finisher but needs service. He is not a workaholic runner like Forster, so when the service isn't there he can look shit.

If McLeod, Murray and Forster play enough games together they'll score plenty, but I think we still need a wide right player to provide the width a nd crosses Murray needs.

Amen to that. If Cox finds his form those four will be formidable.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Who's to say Virgo couldn't do that? I bet my life on it Virgo will win more headers and flicks then Murray if stuck upfront.

How would you like to die? Virgo doesn't seem to win much in the air in midfield at the moment, from recollection.

 

[BensGrandad]

Me 2. I think Livermore will start showing what he can do.

The team that played against Orient once Cox was on for Virgo is the team i'm hoping start on Saturday.

Assume you meant against Northampton as Whing was subbed against Orient and Virgo put to right back

 

[HseagullsH]

Assume you meant against Northampton as Whing was subbed against Orient and Virgo put to right back

Yer i did sorry:thud:

Northampton i meant...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Murray is the sort of striker who conserves his energy. He won't chase hopeless causes like Hart, Virgo or Revell. But when the ball comes to him he won't be knackered either.

You can't have watched the Orient game because I counted at least three occasions when he chased back and actually ended up putting a tackle in near our full-back.

Just because someone does not go running around for 90 minutes does not mean they are lazy and don't care. It means they are sensible.

Murray has a superb touch, decent awareness, an eye for goal and a good partnership with Forster.

I am glad someone shares this view, not just of Murray but I have these thoughts in football in general.

 

[Easy 10]

Who's to say Virgo couldn't do that? I bet my life on it Virgo will win more headers and flicks then Murray if stuck upfront.

Oh for christs sake. The partnership WORKS already, why can't you just accept it ?

Virgo doesn't have the movement, touch or control of Murray. He's a blunt instrument. He can be effective to sling on up front and cause a bit of chaos, particularly charging in at the far post, but as a parter for Forster, he is nowhere NEAR as effective as murray.

I just cannot believe the grief murray gets on here. We've got what looks like being the best front-two combination we've had in YEARS, but because murray doesn't walk off the pitch coughing up his intestines through running all over the place all afternoon, people have him down as a glorified Paul Kitson.

Un.Believable.

 

[algie]

I don't do booing myself,don't see the point.


But i'll make an exception for Murray if he doesn't up it.I'm starting to lose it with him.

 

[Reinelt12]

Its a simple fact that Forster and Murray are not just two quality strikers in their own way, but they are a brilliant partnership and link together extremely well...

The fact that they are so different is what makes them such a good partnership... Murray has class and a great touch, Forster is incredibly quick for a man of 35, chases everything and can make chances from nothing... more importantly they both are great finishers.

6 games, 10 goals for, 2 against... fans complaining about our defence...

4 wins, 2 draws... fans complaining about not winning our home games...

5 goals from our strike partnership in 5 games... (4 goals Forster, 1 goal Murray, 2 assists Murray)... fans complaining about partnership being crap.

Personally I dont see ANYTHING to complain about right now... we have 8 points in the bag, still in 2 cups (when could we say that last?) and the new boys are settling in well.

Oh and back on topic, Virgo is an excellent utility player which is a great asset at this level, can fill in at so many positions which when injuries and suspensions really start to cause problems will prove invaluable.

 

[BensGrandad]

It is this chasing a ball and covering every blade of grass on the field tat has brought about the misfortunes of the national team. The skill factor is over looked for the athlete.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Virgo is better at tackling,heading, distribution and going forward for set pieces.

I think he is quite a clumsy tackler, and I really dont rate his distribution. I have also seen him struggle to get the ball under control a few times. He is good at going forward for set pieces though.

I dont really see where he fits in....if it is simply as a utility player he is a bit of a luxury given he is said to be one of the bigger earners.

 

[Easy 10]

Its a simple fact that Forster and Murray are not just two quality strikers in their own way, but they are a brilliant partnership and link together extremely well...

The fact that they are so different is what makes them such a good partnership... Murray has class and a great touch, Forster is incredibly quick for a man of 35, chases everything and can make chances from nothing... more importantly they both are great finishers.

6 games, 10 goals for, 2 against... fans complaining about our defence...

4 wins, 2 draws... fans complaining about not winning our home games...

5 goals from our strike partnership in 5 games... (4 goals Forster, 1 goal Murray, 2 assists Murray)... fans complaining about partnership being crap.

Personally I dont see ANYTHING to complain about right now... we have 8 points in the bag, still in 2 cups (when could we say that last?) and the new boys are settling in well.

Oh and back on topic, Virgo is an excellent utility player which is a great asset at this level, can fill in at so many positions which when injuries and suspensions really start to cause problems will prove invaluable.

Someone talking PERFECT sense, with FACTS to back it up.
Good work fella.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Oh for christs sake. The partnership WORKS already, why can't you just accept it ?

Virgo doesn't have the movement, touch or control of Murray. He's a blunt instrument. He can be effective to sling on up front and cause a bit of chaos, particularly charging in at the far post, but as a parter for Forster, he is nowhere NEAR as effective as murray.

I just cannot believe the grief murray gets on here. We've got what looks like being the best front-two combination we've had in YEARS, but because murray doesn't walk off the pitch coughing up his intestines through running all over the place all afternoon, people have him down as a glorified Paul Kitson.

Unbelievable.

A-bloody-men.

Mr Algie touted Virgo to get 15 goals in this league, if he was playing up front. Murray scored 9 in 21 last season. Why is he not rated as highly?