Gordon greer

[simmo]

You found like a spoilt kid. Did you go to withdean ? Why should we be comfortably putting those teams to pasture . It takes teams millions of pounds and years to get out this league .... Just look at Cardiff.

We are doing well and progressing . Get a grip.

Absolutely spot on. What a load of sh1te. Reading some threads on here you would think by some divine right we are going to win every game 6-0. Why can't people get it into their heads that is never going to happen.

Teams have spent millions in this league trying to get out out of it and still sit here. It is actually a great league because the bottom side can give you a good game at home and yet you could go to the top side and beat them (hopefully on 1/12 ,) it is a very even and entertaining league (unlike the Premiersh1te).

Any way back to GG, how many good years service has he given the club now?..2 or 3 games of not so good (he was poor on Tues I agree) and all of sudden you get a thread like this?

 

[Bwian]

So Greer can't defend, even though we have the best defensive record in the division.

and

CMS can't shoot even though he has 8 from 12, and we look bereft up front without him.

T'is a strange world.

To be fair, if CMS could shoot he'd be on 20 from 12 by now with all of the chances he's been given this season. We looked so much better when Hoskins came on.

I'm a big fan of CMS and nobody can fault his work rate which terrifies defenders but his first touch and his shooting aren't his strongest points. Probably upset many on here but that's how I see it.

As for GG, he's had a couple of poor(ish) games but we look pretty solid as a defensive unit and he's part of that. He more than likely will be at fault for a couple of goals this season-like most defenders in the country. Unfortunately for defenders, they make a mistake and it likely ends up giving a goal away. A forward makes a mistake and he misses a sitter-no problem, keep trying, you'll score soon and the crowd loves a trier don't they?

Defenders and goalkeepers-not where I'd choose to play. Thankfully we have a players in those positions who seem to be doing ok...

 

[stss30]

find me a team in the premier league or indeed the champions league that plays without a defensive midfielder

What I mean is

There's nothing wrong with the Bridcutt role.

The problem is Gus unnecessarily having two others next to him, doing the same thing.

Which is why we were a different team v Leeds after Middlesborough.

This. I completely agree we need a defensive midfielder. What I don't agree with is playing Hammond as a defensive midfielder as well. I hope Hammond is dropped from the starting 11 now Bridders is back and we don't go back to the old away tactics of playing ridiculously defensively.

 

[Mellotron]

teams like Ipswich and Birmingham who we should be comfortably putting to pasture.

What are you on about? Who do you think we are, Barcelona? Birmingham will have tonnes of players with more Prem experience than us, on much higher wages.

 

[Guinness Boy]

What are you on about? Who do you think we are, Barcelona? Birmingham will have tonnes of players with more Prem experience than us, on much higher wages.

Half of them were out injured though. The week before they'd been DESTROYED by Craig F-in Davies. At home.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Do people really think that Greer played badly on tuesday?

 

[DJ Leon]

I dont see how you can call it a pathetic thread. It's a persons opinion and one that a lot of people agree with. You obviously strongly disagree with it but that doesn't make it pathetic.

As fans we will always have opinions about how good or bad players are. I have no doubt that even fans of the great Barcalona slag off certain players every so often.

It is pathetic though. Opinions are fine, but if you have NOTHING to back it up, then what's the point? The OP's suggestion here is that we might regret selling 2 players to a league one outfit when one of our CB's is so poor. That, for clarity, is our leading CB in the best defence in this division. What a load of crap.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Do people really think that Greer played badly on tuesday?

Had a poor first half but so did many of the team. I can't see how anyone can complain about the second half, with a little more luck we'd have won by 3 or 4.

 

[severnside gull]

This. I completely agree we need a defensive midfielder. What I don't agree with is playing Hammond as a defensive midfielder as well. I hope Hammond is dropped from the starting 11 now Bridders is back and we don't go back to the old away tactics of playing ridiculously defensively.

agree wlith that especially as, set up as we do at the Amex we wont suffer defensively but will have the space going forward that sides never allow us at home.

 

[Diego Napier]

We could do with 2 fast centre backs who can both defend and pass the ball. If we had them then we may not need such a defensive line in midfield

So could virtually every team in the Championship and you forgot to include on your wish list that they also need to score 5 headers each minimum per season from corners!

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Had a poor first half but so did many of the team. I can't see how anyone can complain about the second half, with a little more luck we'd have won by 3 or 4.

I'm not sure how Greer contributed negatively to the first half performance, the defence did their part! For the most part I thought the passing from the back was decent, we just obviously lacked the mobility of Liam Bridcutt and his understanding of the position. Hammond and Crofts are both decent players but neither of them are Bridcutt type players, I thought we struggled to impose ourselves in midfield early on and the only criticism I would have of Greer would be that he's not voal enough, or doesn't seem to be. I thought the team needed a bit of a kick up the backside to get going but it didn't seem to happen. That said, we don't have to rely on Greer to lead the team out there, Hammond captained Southampton last season and Crofts captained us before so both of them should be more vocal on the pitch as well. I really don't think Greer had a bad game at all.

 

[JCL666]

This having the best defence in the league lark is getting tedious and slightly laughable when we've failed to beat or lost against teams like Ipswich and Birmingham who we should be comfortably putting to pasture.

We conceded weak goals against both and worse we constantly concede from mistakes made by the defence or because we fail to close down players.

Having the best defence in the league is great if you're also winning regularly but we're not so please can the apologists stop banging on about it.

Yeah you're right. Having a solid defence is NOTHING to be proud of.

Rather than seeing ANY positives, we should be focusing on ANYTHING remotely negative and demanding CHANGE.

Greer OUT, Poyet OUT, Obama OUT

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not sure how Greer contributed negatively to the first half performance, the defence did their part! For the most part I thought the passing from the back was decent, we just obviously lacked the mobility of Liam Bridcutt and his understanding of the position. Hammond and Crofts are both decent players but neither of them are Bridcutt type players, I thought we struggled to impose ourselves in midfield early on and the only criticism I would have of Greer would be that he's not voal enough, or doesn't seem to be. I thought the team needed a bit of a kick up the backside to get going but it didn't seem to happen. That said, we don't have to rely on Greer to lead the team out there, Hammond captained Southampton last season and Crofts captained us before so both of them should be more vocal on the pitch as well. I really don't think Greer had a bad game at all.

Because he gave the ball away with poor passing / hoofing. Central defenders who can keep out attacks but not pass are 10 a penny. He's Poyet's captain because his distribution is normally simple and spot on. As I said when he cut out looking for the glory pass in the second half he was much better. His defending was ok both halves but if you are in a Poyet side you have to be able to pass - bottom line.

 

[the beating monkey]

Do people really think that Greer played badly on tuesday?

Not at all, the whole team were out of salts, he made one great pin point accurate 60 yard forward pass that could have lead to a goal.
Bruno lost the ball far more times and he was MOTM
it was a wall of Red and black they were trying to get through. It was 3 points, move on

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Because he gave the ball away with poor passing / hoofing. Central defenders who can keep out attacks but not pass are 10 a penny. He's Poyet's captain because his distribution is normally simple and spot on. As I said when he cut out looking for the glory pass in the second half he was much better. His defending was ok both halves but if you are in a Poyet side you have to be able to pass - bottom line.

I think it shows how far we've come that we no longer just want defenders capable of defending, we now expect them to be much more than that. Gordon Greer is the best centre back I've seen play for Brighton, but I am of the opinion that next season we'll be needing atleast one new centre back, if not two. We've improved every aspect of the team to such an extent now that the centre backs are probably the weakest area of the pitch for us. Which is ironic considering our defensive record, our technically worst position isn't even a weakness.

Not at all, the whole team were out of salts, he made one great pin point accurate 60 yard forward pass that could have lead to a goal.
Bruno lost the ball far more times and he was MOTM
it was a wall of Red and black they were trying to get through. It was 3 points, move on

Succinctly put, and I agree.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

Do people really think that Greer played badly on tuesday?

First half he was by far the worst of a bad bunch. Couldn't buy a pass and never won a header against the Posh No.9. After the break he kept things simple and luckily Posh didn't want to cross the halfway line. He's clearly better than his recent performances, but let's be honest, he's never looked comfortable against some of the more physical Championship centre-forwards. Of course, we've got the best defence in the division, head in the sand, blah de blah.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

First half he was by far the worst of a bad bunch. Couldn't buy a pass and never won a header against the Posh No.9. After the break he kept things simple and luckily Posh didn't want to cross the halfway line. He's clearly better than his recent performances, but let's be honest, he's never looked comfortable against some of the more physical Championship centre-forwards. Of course, we've got the best defence in the division, head in the sand, blah de blah.

Worst of a bad bunch? If you want to go down that road then shall we have words about Andrew Crofts? That said, I don't understand the need on here to have a witch hunt after every game. Someone has to get panned, and because we've not been playing badly, it's harder and harder to find someone to have a go at. So it's Greer, almost by default. He's been here over 2 years now without criticism, perhaps it's time people got on with slagging him off.

I don't think he can be fairly criticised in any context for his performances this season on a whole.

 

[Stat Brother]

Worst of a bad bunch? If you want to go down that road then shall we have words about Andrew Crofts? That said, I don't understand the need on here to have a witch hunt after every game. Someone has to get panned, and because we've not been playing badly, it's harder and harder to find someone to have a go at. So it's Greer, almost by default. He's been here over 2 years now without criticism, perhaps it's time people got on with slagging him off.

I don't think he can be fairly criticised in any context for his performances this season on a whole.

It's all very odd.

I can pick holes in formation and structure of our play.
Which is a criticism of Gus, or how his plans are actioned.

I can call out, say, Bruno, for not being as fookin brilliant as he was, with the caveat he's still our best right back.
I can question Barnes ever presence when other players aren't getting a look in, but again that's Gus.

I certainly can't slate the best defence in the division.
Or our most prolific striker, having scored a brace 4 days earlier.

This place can be bat shit crazy, I'm heading back to 'geeks'.
We talk normally there.

 

[Scoffers]

Interesting reading....

To me, the difference on Tuesday was the way the opposition played, it is much harder to pass your way through 10 players who are sitting there waiting for the pass, and only counterattacking - this forces the likes of Greer to go for the hollywood passes like he did in the first half, most of which went astray. It was easier to get the passes going against Leeds as they were more attacking and so left more spaces.

We have to be able to adapt our game to account for both scenarios.

My main concern is not Greer's errant passing from Tuesday night as I know he is capable of producing the killer long ball out of defence, it is the fact that our set pieces (how many corners did we have?) that seemed to get us nowhere. IMHO we should just take short-corners since we simply don't seem to be able to get on the end of the normal corners.

Still, I am very happy with the way the team are playing, the results will come I'm sure.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

Worst of a bad bunch? If you want to go down that road then shall we have words about Andrew Crofts? That said, I don't understand the need on here to have a witch hunt after every game. Someone has to get panned, and because we've not been playing badly, it's harder and harder to find someone to have a go at. So it's Greer, almost by default. He's been here over 2 years now without criticism, perhaps it's time people got on with slagging him off.

I don't think he can be fairly criticised in any context for his performances this season on a whole.

Wow, where to begin?
1. Not sure if you've noticed (and considering you seem to have your head in the sand, probably not), the thread is about Gordon Greer and, surprise, surprise, discussing Gordon Greer. You want to discuss Crofts, go and start a thread and I'll contribute. Lucky you.
2. Players don't get panned after every game FFS. Who got slagged after Barnsley, Burnley away, Sheff Weds? Likewise, when performances are below par (ie first half against Posh, most of October where for large parts of games we were playing badly), fans have the right to question why. Often (Barnes, Dobbie) there has been a witch hunt element from some of the numpty posters, but this thread seems pretty constructive to me. I'm certainly not slagging him off.
3. Of course he can be fairly criticised. Why not? CMS has largely been impressive this season. He was superb against Leeds. He was terrible on Tuesday. Same goes for Greer of late. No one expects players to be amazing week in, week out, but when performance levels drop, as I believe GG's have recently despite the team still looking pretty solid collectively in defence, then he can be open to criticism.