Gordon greer

[dale jasper football guru]

He's a bully.......and how he's the audacity to have a go at the likes of TK is beyond me.
He's crap in the air.....has the pace of a snail carrying heavy shopping and is a complete c**t

I'm just amazed its taken people this long to figure out he's a cancer ...el abd and dunk is the way forward.

Pegged him the 1st time he played

 

[Varndean VI Form College]

He's a bully.......and how he's the audacity to have a go at the likes of TK is beyond me.
He's crap in the air.....has the pace of a snail carrying heavy shopping and is a complete c**t

I'm just amazed its taken people this long to figure out he's a cancer ...el abd and dunk is the way forward.

Pegged him the 1st time he played

I was against censorship until reading this post. Depressing that such 'fans' should associate themselves with our wonderful club.

 

[Stat Brother]

Pegged him the 1st time he played

and to think in just 100 games, a champions promotion, a solid subsequent season, runner up as Player of the Season, a defensively stout start to this season, a few other people 'have him pegged' too.

What are Tuesdays Euromillions winning numbers.

 

[JBizzle]

He's a bully.......and how he's the audacity to have a go at the likes of TK is beyond me.
He's crap in the air.....has the pace of a snail carrying heavy shopping and is a complete c**t

I'm just amazed its taken people this long to figure out he's a cancer ...el abd and dunk is the way forward.

Pegged him the 1st time he played

I see what you've done there... Taken minor criticisms that are occasionally leveled at Greer and MASSIVELY overstated them.

He's not a cancer and for that comment alone, your opinion loses any real credibility in my eyes.

I agree he is certainly temperamentally a bit mental but so was Roy Keane. I would also argue that Dunk and El Abd have been improved by Greer.

Well done to him on 100 games. Now is the time for plaudits, not wild O.T.T criticism.

 

[bhawoddy]

and to think in just 100 games, a champions promotion, a solid subsequent season, runner up as Player of the Season, a defensively stout start to this season, a few other people 'have him pegged' too.

What are Tuesdays Euromillions winning numbers.

DJFG does make some valid points. Hes dreadful in the air! If anyone thinks otherwise they are just wrong. He isnt the quickest. Whilst hes been solid enough for us in the recent past he's showing now that he's going backwards and IMO needs replacing asap. His passes are becoming more wayward and his captaincy/PR skills are pretty poor as we have seen on pitch spats with hammond and kushak.
Not only did we get rid of a Free scoring Striker, we also failed to keep a very promising CB in Hall. This is another clanger dropped by the club IMO.

 

[Stat Brother]

DJFG does make some valid points. Hes dreadful in the air! If anyone thinks otherwise they are just wrong. He isnt the quickest - fact. Whilst hes been solid enough for us in the recent past he's showing now that he's going backwards and IMO needs replacing asap. His passes are becoming more wayward and his captaincy/PR skills are pretty poor as we have seen on pitch spats with hammond and kushak.
Not only did we get rid of a Free scoring Striker, we also failed to keep a very promising CB in Hall. This is another clanger dropped by the club IMO.

The thing is Greer's failing haven't been an issue until a week ago.

If he could do everything he wouldn't be playing for us, something that could be levelled at all our team (maybe Bridge is the exception).

No player will go on forever.
I believe GG's contract is up in the summer.
Money will be made available to Gus, I think we can safely say after he's bought in 6 more midfielders, centre back will be where some money goes.
Until then Greer is hardly the worst player in the division.

 

[bhawoddy]

The thing is Greer's failing haven't been an issue until a week ago.

If he could do everything he wouldn't be playing for us, something that could be levelled at all our team (maybe Bridge is the exception).

No player will go on forever.
I believe GG's contract is up in the summer.
Money will be made available to Gus, I think we can safely say after he's bought in 6 more midfielders, centre back will be where some money goes.
Until then Greer is hardly the worst player in the division.

Thing is Stat, they havent just been up until last week IMO. He didnt win much in the air last year either. Whilst im not doubting his ability on the floor he just doesnt win anywhere near enough headers in either box. He's a bit of a liability when defending corners/set pieces in our own area. I also agree he's never going to be Bobby Moore but the championship demands solid tough centre halves who can head a ball.
This, for me, is a fundamental requirement of a solid side in this league.
No Greer definitely isnt the worst player in this division but he's someone who WE need to replace sharpish IMO. Also its worth pointing out that the only real replacement for Greer would be Dunk and he's not really proving himself to be the player we thought he might be.

Still cannot belive we didnt give Hall more oportunities when he was here. Really solid agaisnt Wrexham and then never saw him again. Spurs saw more in 1 game than we did since he was here. Then Gus moaned and groaned because he left for a Prem club. Why didnt he do more to keep him?? Nobody to blame other than Poyet for this.

 

[Questions]

The problem with Greer in the air is he doesn't even jump with the opponent. His way is too try and get his body in the way to stop the guy. So many times last year he got caught out doing it but seems to have got away with it most times this season.
Until yesterday.

 

[bhawoddy]

The problem with Greer in the air is he doesn't even jump with the opponent. His way is too try and get his body in the way to stop the guy. So many times last year he got caught out doing it but seems to have got away with it most times this season.
Until yesterday.

Whilst i would agree he's, for the large part, "got away with it" try looking at West ham away last year for starters.

 

[Stat Brother]

Thing is Stat, they havent just been up until last week IMO. He didnt win much in the air last year either. Whilst im not doubting his ability on the floor he just doesnt win anywhere near enough headers in either box. He's a bit of a liability when defending corners/set pieces in our own area. I also agree he's never going to be Bobby Moore but the championship demands solid tough centre halves who can head a ball.
This, for me, is a fundamental requirement of a solid side in this league.
No Greer definitely isnt the worst player in this division but he's someone who WE need to replace sharpish IMO. Also its worth pointing out that the only real replacement for Greer would be Dunk and he's not really proving himself to be the player we thought he might be.

Still cannot belive we didnt give Hall more oportunities when he was here. Really solid agaisnt Wrexham and then never saw him again. Spurs saw more in 1 game than we did since he was here. Then Gus moaned and groaned because he left for a Prem club. Why didnt he do more to keep him?? Nobody to blame other than Poyet for this.

There's a fair few separate issues here.

The greatest question on the 'corners' thread is:-
'How many goals have we conceded from corners' - answer 'none'.

Dunk - well we all know about that.
I'm sure everyone expected it to sorted sooner, it's hardly the backdrop for quality football.

Hall - we don't know what went on behind the scenes.
Hindsight does make it seem like an odd decision.
If he was only ever going to be fourth choice, this season, then you can see why he would want the move.
Esp as reserve defensive cover, in the shape of Calde would keep him off the bench.

 

[Questions]

Whilst i would agree he's, for the large part, "got away with it" try looking at West ham away last year for starters.

That is what I said. THIS season he has got away with it. Last year he did too many times to mention. Gus isn't stupid though, he must analyse videos after matches but I doubt he will ever criticise his captain in public and nor should he. Greer is playing at the upper limits of his potential. Calderon is another who fails to defend the long cross towards the far post when he plays at right back.

 

[bhawoddy]

There's a fair few separate issues here.

The greatest question on the 'corners' thread is:-
'How many goals have we conceded from corners' - answer 'none'.

Dunk - well we all know about that.
I'm sure everyone expected it to sorted sooner, it's hardly the backdrop for quality football.

Hall - we don't know what went on behind the scenes.
Hindsight does make it seem like an odd decision.
If he was only ever going to be fourth choice, this season, then you can see why he would want the move.
Esp as reserve defensive cover, in the shape of Calde would keep him off the bench.

corners/setpieces - there are quite afew instances where greer has been outmuscled/outjumped in our box. whether they lead directly to a gola or not is irrelevant. The issue here is that he just doesnt seem able to win headers and clear our lines efficiently. Yesterday/ West ham away are immediate ones that spring to mind where he gets lost. If i looked back id find loads of instances where hes 2nd best aerially...

Im not trying to persecute the fella, im just saying what ive been witnessing over the last season and a bit.

 

[bhawoddy]

That is what I said. THIS season he has got away with it. Last year he did too many times to mention. Gus isn't stupid though, he must analyse videos after matches but I doubt he will ever criticise his captain in public and nor should he. Greer is playing at the upper limits of his potential. Calderon is another who fails to defend the long cross towards the far post when he plays at right back.

Yes good points well made.

 

[Stat Brother]

corners/setpieces - there are quite afew instances where greer has been outmuscled/outjumped in our box. whether they lead directly to a gola or not is irrelevant. The issue here is that he just doesnt seem able to win headers and clear our lines efficiently. Yesterday/ West ham away are immediate ones that spring to mind where he gets lost. If i looked back id find loads of instances where hes 2nd best aerially...

Im not trying to persecute the fella, im just saying what ive been witnessing over the last season and a bit.

I'd take issue with the irrelevance of that, but I'm not binfesting at 10 am on Sunday morning

Plus I can't get too involved as I think this is Greer's last season with us, so there is obviously something there.

I think the debate is boiling down to those who think we are in line for a Greer related pasting, and those who think he's plenty good enough to hold our defence together, for the time being at least.

Probably for the first time in my life, I'm on the side of the optimists.

 

[Sussax]

Thing is Stat, they havent just been up until last week IMO. He didnt win much in the air last year either. Whilst im not doubting his ability on the floor he just doesnt win anywhere near enough headers in either box. He's a bit of a liability when defending corners/set pieces in our own area. I also agree he's never going to be Bobby Moore but the championship demands solid tough centre halves who can head a ball.
This, for me, is a fundamental requirement of a solid side in this league.
No Greer definitely isnt the worst player in this division but he's someone who WE need to replace sharpish IMO. Also its worth pointing out that the only real replacement for Greer would be Dunk and he's not really proving himself to be the player we thought he might be.

Still cannot belive we didnt give Hall more oportunities when he was here. Really solid agaisnt Wrexham and then never saw him again. Spurs saw more in 1 game than we did since he was here. Then Gus moaned and groaned because he left for a Prem club. Why didnt he do more to keep him?? Nobody to blame other than Poyet for this.

You can't state someones ability for one game against Wrexham, we played a team that day FULL of youngsters.
Greer ISN'T a liability, he may be quite slow and not that great at headers, but he helps keep the ball out the net, and does it well, especially with AEA.
and it's great to see him with his 100th cap, as SB said, helped us win the league, solid few seasons and runner up player of the season.

 

[bhawoddy]

You can't state someones ability for one game against Wrexham, we played a team that day FULL of youngsters.
Greer ISN'T a liability, he may be quite slow and not that great at headers, but he helps keep the ball out the net, and does it well, especially with AEA.
and it's great to see him with his 100th cap, as SB said, helped us win the league, solid few seasons and runner up player of the season.

Agreed he was very solid back in league 1 but this isnt league 1. Players are much faster, stronger etc... in the championship and hes struggling IMO. Perhaps age is catching up with him!!!

If you read my post about Hall i was stating that he played solidly against wrexham, which he did, and showed potential, but we never saw him again after. Surely he had potential otherwise spurs wouldnt have been so willing to sign him. Spurs dont sign any old players!!

 

[Stat Brother]

Spurs et al do sign any old player for 500k, or what ever it was.

Sometimes it works out and you are a genius if it doesn't, well you turned that cash over in the time it took from agreeing the signing and the fee.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

corners/setpieces - there are quite afew instances where greer has been outmuscled/outjumped in our box. whether they lead directly to a gola or not is irrelevant. The issue here is that he just doesnt seem able to win headers and clear our lines efficiently. Yesterday/ West ham away are immediate ones that spring to mind where he gets lost. If i looked back id find loads of instances where hes 2nd best aerially...

Im not trying to persecute the fella, im just saying what ive been witnessing over the last season and a bit.

Absolutely right. He remains a good signing, but whenever there is a physical battle, the majority of times he loses out. His strength is more with the ball at his feet and when that isn't happening he looks a poor player.

Strength is key in this division and the majority of teams seem to have more physical presence than us.

 

[Sussax]

Agreed he was very solid back in league 1 but this isnt league 1. Players are much faster, stronger etc... in the championship and hes struggling IMO.

If you read my post about Hall i was stating that he played solidly against wrexham and showed potential, but we never saw him again after. Surely he had potential otherwise spurs wouldnt have been so willing to sign him. Spurs dont sign any old players!!

He's championship quality IMO, he's going to be 32 next month and imo for aslong as were in the championship he'll stay with us, i wouldn't be to suprised if he got an extra 2 years contract extension.
He can "Nuture" young players coming through and is very professional imo (some say he's not because His red cards, and shouting at koosh, for someone reason no-one can forgive him for).

For all i know, Spurs may of only seen Hall play development squad football and the game against Wrexham, so they have seen potential, I'm sure everyone would think Greer would be great if he played D squad football against teams like Hastings etc.

 

[bhawoddy]

Spurs et al do sign any old player for 500k, or what ever it was.Sometimes it works out and you are a genius if it doesn't, well you turned that cash over in the time it took from agreeing the signing and the fee.

So you dont actually know? was the figure for compo ever released publicly?