Gordon greer

[Mr Burns]

To be fair, if CMS could shoot he'd be on 20 from 12 by now with all of the chances he's been given this season. We looked so much better when Hoskins came on.

I really rate CMS but I think the plan is Hoskins to lead the line, and CMS will be sold off in January. I think we may be seeing a lot of Hoskins as the season progresses.

 

[u'vebeenamexed]

Do people really think that Greer played badly on tuesday?

He has looked a little shaky of late especially in the air - however most players go through a slump in form. AEA had a shocker a few weeks ago yet it is forgotten now. I am sure GG will come through it ok and Dunk had a v.good game considering his lay off.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

It's all very odd.

I can pick holes in formation and structure of our play.
Which is a criticism of Gus, or how his plans are actioned.

I can call out, say, Bruno, for not being as fookin brilliant as he was, with the caveat he's still our best right back.
I can question Barnes ever presence when other players aren't getting a look in, but again that's Gus.

I certainly can't slate the best defence in the division.
Or our most prolific striker, having scored a brace 4 days earlier.

This place can be bat shit crazy, I'm heading back to 'geeks'.
We talk normally there.

A lot of the time when players are getting criticism you can sort of understand the justification. Barnes missed a penalty, he gets slagged off. To me, there's something in that because you have something tangible to pin to him. But Greer plays a part in keeping a clean sheet and still gets criticised. Not for the efficiency with which he did his job, but because he didn't do anything above and beyond it.

 

[Mr Burns]

To be fair, if CMS could shoot he'd be on 20 from 12 by now with all of the chances he's been given this season. We looked so much better when Hoskins came on.

I really rate CMS but I think the plan is Hoskins to lead the line, and CMS will be sold off in January. I think we may be seeing a lot of Hoskins as the season progresses.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Wow, where to begin?
1. Not sure if you've noticed (and considering you seem to have your head in the sand, probably not), the thread is about Gordon Greer and, surprise, surprise, discussing Gordon Greer. You want to discuss Crofts, go and start a thread and I'll contribute. Lucky you.
2. Players don't get panned after every game FFS. Who got slagged after Barnsley, Burnley away, Sheff Weds? Likewise, when performances are below par (ie first half against Posh, most of October where for large parts of games we were playing badly), fans have the right to question why. Often (Barnes, Dobbie) there has been a witch hunt element from some of the numpty posters, but this thread seems pretty constructive to me. I'm certainly not slagging him off.
3. Of course he can be fairly criticised. Why not? CMS has largely been impressive this season. He was superb against Leeds. He was terrible on Tuesday. Same goes for Greer of late. No one expects players to be amazing week in, week out, but when performance levels drop, as I believe GG's have recently despite the team still looking pretty solid collectively in defence, then he can be open to criticism.

On the contrary, my eyes are open. I take in a lot more than you give me credit for.

1. So, Crofts. I only mentioned him because he had a much worse game than Greer did and I've not come across the type of criticism that Greer has received. I'm not moaning that Crofts isn't being criticised, I'm just using the comparison. The criticism of Greer is on very thin ground in my opinion, all things considered. But I do agree we should be more of a threat at set pieces, Greer especially. The delivery isn't so bad that we can have a dozen corners and threaten from none of them.
2. You don't come on here after every game then? It doesn't matter the result, SOMEONE will get panned. If not true of every game, it is certainly true of 99% of them. My memory isn't so good to give specific examples of the games you've mentioned, but I'm sure someone did. I'm not accusing you of slagging anyone off though, just to be clear.
3. Again, in what context has Greer been "terrible". I'm genuinely baffled by this seemingly popular opinion that Greer hasn't been performing at his usual high level recently. Maybe it's me, maybe I'm missing something or not seeing something but I really don't think I am.

Obviously people are welcome to form their opinions, and a lot of people seem to think Greer hasn't been that good recently. Personally, I see absolutely no justification whatsoever of any criticism of his form.

 

[Stat Brother]

A lot of the time when players are getting criticism you can sort of understand the justification. Barnes missed a penalty, he gets slagged off. To me, there's something in that because you have something tangible to pin to him. But Greer plays a part in keeping a clean sheet and still gets criticised. Not for the efficiency with which he did his job, but because he didn't do anything above and beyond it.

Care to sweepstake how many goals we concede the game after Greer gets his 5th yellow card?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Care to sweepstake how many goals we concede the game after Greer gets his 5th yellow card?

If I did, I certainly won't go so high as 13.

It's funny, I was talking to a few of the older gentlemen around me a few weeks ago about the development of our squad and I was getting a bit panned for suggesting that because of the improvements to the squad in all departments, the spotlight would eventually fall on Greer and El-Abd, and that though I didn't think either were out of place in our team, they would be the next to be replaced as part of the natural progression. I'm not blind to the fact Greer isn't quick, doesn't threaten in the opponents penalty area and isn't brilliant in the air. But his performances are still contributing positively to the team rather than negatively. El-Abd gets better every year, but more obnoxious with opposing strikers... Before long we'll have a nice bright shiny centre back in the side and in reality, Greer's contract might not even be renewed in the summer considering his age and the direction we're taking but for the time being, I don't understand any criticism of his performances.

 

[Stat Brother]

If I did, I certainly won't go so high as 13. .

Ah you're misquoting me there.

I felt we would be one nil down at the half, and rally to score 13 in the second.

I probably wouldn't have won, I can be fairly sure I wasn't the only person to think that.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

1. This is the only thread I've seen criticising Greer. You're making out he's getting Barnes/Dobbie levels of criticism. Ok, there isn't a thread about Crofts, but he got slated in the Marks out of 10 thread.
2. I read NSC after every game and have done since the days of the original Sompting Seagull, thank you very much. You're right in that there has always been someone getting panned, the pantomime villain that fans love to hate. But after every game? And Greer's certainly not one of them.
3. Ok, terrible is a bit strong, but I think its fairer to criticise a player who is our captain and who is clearly going through an iffy spell, than slagging off one of our young players because he missed a penalty. Think that says more about you, actually.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

1. This is the only thread I've seen criticising Greer. You're making out he's getting Barnes/Dobbie levels of criticism. Ok, there isn't a thread about Crofts, but he got slated in the Marks out of 10 thread.
2. I read NSC after every game and have done since the days of the original Sompting Seagull, thank you very much. You're right in that there has always been someone getting panned, the pantomime villain that fans love to hate. But after every game? And Greer's certainly not one of them.
3. Ok, terrible is a bit strong, but I think its fairer to criticise a player who is our captain and who is clearly going through an iffy spell, than slagging off one of our young players because he missed a penalty. Think that says more about you, actually.

I think our conversation in this thread has probably now run its course. I understand your point of view, I just can't agree with it.

Also, I didn't personally critcise Barnes for missing the penalty. The point I was trying to make there was that it's something tangible to criticise, rather than just generally saying he's not playing very well. I'm not one for slagging of our players relentlessly, and I don't doubt that you aren't either.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

Oh god no. It's far too black and white on here at times and can be hard to separate genuine criticism from over-the-top bed-wetting.

 

[Varndean VI Form College]

Greer is a fantastic footballer, never injured; as reliable as Glasweigan rain. We are lucky to have him as captain of our club.

 

[BensGrandad]

Greer is a fantastic footballer, never injured; as reliable as Glasweigan rain. We are lucky to have him as captain of our club.

would agree with most of that but would possibly omit as captain as he doesn't appear to me vocal enough as captain but then I don't hear or see the dressing room chat. So I could be being mislead.

 

[Perkino]

There's nothing wrong with the Bridcutt role.

The problem is Gus unnecessarily having two others next to him, doing the same thing.

Which is why we were a different team v Leeds after Middlesborough.

Stat Brother, I never said there was anything wrong with the Bridcutt role in fact I think a defensive midfielder is vital in a side as he allows the others to get involved with attacking. I myself have moved to a defensive midfield role from left back. I think it is a vital role as the central midfielders need to pass the ball about and be exceptional in their positioning.

However we have slow centrebacks and therefore Gus opts for 2 or even somtimes 3 central midfielders who will sit deeper and break up play at the expense of some more attacking players.

2 pacey centrebacks plus bridcutt would allow our Fullbacks to push on and our other midfielders to push the opposition higher up the pitch. I'm also not slating Gordon Greer as I think he is a tremendous captain who positions himself very well and rarely gets caught out by his lack of pace due to his positioning and the way the team defend. GG is one of my favourite players but he is very slow

 

[timbha]

would agree with most of that but would possibly omit as captain as he doesn't appear to me vocal enough as captain but then I don't hear or see the dressing room chat. So I could be being mislead.

he's very clever at not getting exposed and finding space, however when called upon his heading is poor and when a player runs at him he struggles. Watch him on corners - for and against - he rarely makes a genuine effort to win the header, preferring to block players and get in positions where the ball is unlikely to drop. Relies on AEA and LD to make the challenges. Just recently his passing has got worse and he seems to be very quiet......other than that he's perfect!

 

[stss30]

Wow, where to begin?
1. Not sure if you've noticed (and considering you seem to have your head in the sand, probably not), the thread is about Gordon Greer and, surprise, surprise, discussing Gordon Greer. You want to discuss Crofts, go and start a thread and I'll contribute. Lucky you.
2. Players don't get panned after every game FFS. Who got slagged after Barnsley, Burnley away, Sheff Weds? Likewise, when performances are below par (ie first half against Posh, most of October where for large parts of games we were playing badly), fans have the right to question why. Often (Barnes, Dobbie) there has been a witch hunt element from some of the numpty posters, but this thread seems pretty constructive to me. I'm certainly not slagging him off.
3. Of course he can be fairly criticised. Why not? CMS has largely been impressive this season. He was superb against Leeds. He was terrible on Tuesday. Same goes for Greer of late. No one expects players to be amazing week in, week out, but when performance levels drop, as I believe GG's have recently despite the team still looking pretty solid collectively in defence, then he can be open to criticism.

Very, very well put. All I'm saying is that I think Greer should be dropped so show that he is droppable, he has been very poor in the past few games and I think if Gus did drop him it would motivate him more instead of him being in the Starting 11 every week despite poor performances for the last month or so...

 

[somerset]

He hasn't been as calm and creative as he was, but he is still a very decent asset. I think he gives us nothing in the attacking set pieces sadly, and this is one of the two areas we seriously need to improve.... Barnes(or not Barnes), is the other issue of course.

 

[Stat Brother]

Very, very well put. All I'm saying is that I think Greer should be dropped so show that he is droppable

You don't play silly buggers with a solid functioning defensive unit, just to prove a point.

Barnes(or not Barnes), is the other issue of course.

I'm no hater, but I do find perplexing how, with the depth and fluidity of our midfield, AB has been an every present esp through the 'lean' weeks.

 

[The Modfather]

100th club appearance for Greer today

 

[Ninja Elephant]

100th club appearance for Greer today

And many more!