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"Get Britain Out of the EU" says the Daily Express Special Edition
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We opted to still sell beer in pints, we opted not to join the Euro, we opted out of the Schengen Agreement to name but the three most important (starting with THE most important...)
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"Get Britain Out Of The EU" - what does that really mean? We can't "get out" - apart from geography more than half our trade is with the EU.
And, interestingly, I see this poll is presently 37-36 for Out, so pretty much 50/50. If you believed the media you'd expect the outcome would be 80-20 out.
The problem with the "debate" is that the economic case FOR entry has never been presented clearly to the British public. We get all the bad news about Greek debt, wine lakes and butter mountains but we don't get any good news like profits to UK companies from expansion into the new EU markets.
And, interestingly, I see this poll is presently 37-36 for Out, so pretty much 50/50. If you believed the media you'd expect the outcome would be 80-20 out.
The problem with the "debate" is that the economic case FOR entry has never been presented clearly to the British public. We get all the bad news about Greek debt, wine lakes and butter mountains but we don't get any good news like profits to UK companies from expansion into the new EU markets.
Yes. So because we're allowed to sell beer in pints, I can't see an issue with us opting out of the CAP.
Top logic.
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Way to ignore the other two. Anyway nobody specifically mentioned the CAP, you specifically said "I love this idea that other countries are going to let us select which bits of the EU we are going to opt into.". I merely pointed out that we already do that, and have a history of doing that.
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again with the EU/EEC confusion. i think the economic case for EEC (or EFTA) integration is very well made. the case for political and legislative EU integration has never really been attempted.
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Ha Ha , marvellous stuff! I see what you did there, keep it up!
I'm with you on this one.
And another thing, I really object to women immigration officers in hijabs being the ones to decide whether I can enter MY country. F off home. This is ENGLAND.
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We've had 60 odd years of peace in western Europe as a consequence of the EU, by comparison the list of conflicts before then is rather long.......
69 Year of the Four Emperors
193 Year of the Five Emperors
238 Year of the Six Emperors
284-285 Roman civil war
306-324 Civil Wars of the Tetrarchy
350-351 Roman civil war
360-361 Roman civil war
387-388 Roman civil war
394 Roman civil war of 394 AD
535-554 Gothic War
582-602 Maurice's Balkan campaigns
~600-793 Frisian-Frankish Wars
680–1355 Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars
711-718 Umayyad conquest of Hispania
715-718 Frankish Civil War (715–718)
722-1492 Reconquista
772-804 Saxon Wars
839-1330 Bulgarian–Serbian Wars
~997-1445 Swedish–Novgorodian Wars
1015-1016 Pisan–Genoese expeditions to Sardinia
1050-1185 Byzantine–Norman wars
1066-1088 Norman conquest of England
1169 Norman invasion of Ireland
1185-1204 Uprising of Asen and Peter
1208-1227 Conquest of Estonia
1209-1229 Albigensian Crusade
1220-1264 The Age of the Sturlungs
1223-1241 Mongol invasion of Europe
1256-1381 Venetian–Genoese Wars
1277-1280 Uprising of Ivaylo
1282-1302 War of the Sicilian Vespers
1296-1357 Wars of Scottish Independence
1321-1328 Byzantine civil war of 1321–1328
1323-1328 Peasant revolt in Flanders
1326-1332 Polish–Teutonic War
1337-1453 Hundred Years' War
1340-1392 Galicia–Volhynia Wars
1340-1396 Bulgarian–Ottoman Wars
1341-1347 Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347
1342-1350 Zealot's Rebellion
1343-1345 St. George's Night Uprising
1356-1358 Jacquerie
1366-1369 Castilian Civil War
1366-1526 Ottoman–Hungarian Wars
1371-1381 War of Chioggia
1373-1379 Byzantine civil war of 1373–1379
1381 Peasants' Revolt
1382 Harelle and Maillotins Revolt
1409-1411 Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War
1414 Hunger War
1419-1434 Hussite Wars
1422 Gollub War
1425-1454 Wars in Lombardy
1431-1435 Polish–Teutonic War
1437 Budai Nagy Antal Revolt
1438-1556 Russo-Kazan Wars
1440-1446 Old Zürich War
1443-1444 Long campaign
1447-1448 Albanian–Venetian War
1449-1450 First Margrave War
1451-1455 Navarrese Civil War
1454-1466 Thirteen Years' War
1455-1487 Wars of the Roses
1462-1485 Rebellion of the Remences
1462-1472 Catalonian Civil War
1466-1469 Irmandiño Wars
1467-1479 War of the Priests
1468 Waldshut War
1470-1471 Dano-Swedish War
1475-1479 War of the Castilian Succession
1478 Carinthian peasant revolt
1482-1484 War of Ferrara
1495-1497 Russo-Swedish War
1497 Cornish Rebellion of 1497
1499 Swabian War
1494-1498 Italian War of 1494–1498
1499-1504 Italian War of 1499–1504
1508-1516 War of the League of Cambrai
1514 Poor Conrad's Rebellion
1514 Dózsa rebellion
1515 Slovenian peasant revolt
1519-1521 Polish–Teutonic War
1520-1521 Revolt of the Comuneros
1521-1523 Revolt of the Brotherhoods
1521-1523 Swedish War of Liberation
1522-1523 Knights' Revolt
1522–1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars
1524-1525 Peasants' War
1529 First War of Kappel
1531 Second War of Kappel
1534-1536 Count's Feud
1536-1537 Pilgrimage of Grace
1540 Salt War
1542-1543 Dacke War
1543-1550 The Rough Wooing
1546-1547 Schmalkaldic War
1549 Kett's Rebellion
1549 Prayer Book Rebellion
1552-1555 Second Margrave War
1554 Wyatt's rebellion
1554-1557 Russo-Swedish War
1558-1583 Livonian War
1562-1598 French Wars of Religion
1563-1570 Northern Seven Years' War
1568-1570 Morisco Revolt
1568–1648 Eighty Years' War
1573 Croatian–Slovenian peasant revolt
1580-1583 War of the Portuguese Succession
1585-1604 Anglo-Spanish War (1585)
1587-1588 War of the Polish Succession
1590-1595 Russo-Swedish War
1593-1606 Long War
1593-1617 Moldavian Magnate Wars
1594-1603 Nine Years War (Ireland)
1596-1597 Cudgel War
1605-1618 Polish–Muscovite War
1606-1607 Bolotnikov Rebellion
1610-1617 Ingrian War
1611-1613 Kalmar War
1615-1618 Uskok War
1618–1648 Thirty Years' War
1620-1621 Polish–Ottoman War
1632-1634 Smolensk War
1638 Ostrzanin Uprising
1639-1651 Wars of the Three Kingdoms
1640-1688 Portuguese Restoration War
1642–1651 English Civil War
1651 Kostka-Napierski Uprising
1652-1674 Anglo-Dutch Wars
1653 Swiss peasant war of 1653
1654-1667 Russo-Polish War
1655-1660 Second Northern War
1656 War of Villmergen
1663-1664 Austro-Turkish War
1667–1668 War of Devolution
1670-1671 Razin's Rebellion
1672-1678 Franco-Dutch War
1679 Covenanter Rebellion
1683–1699 Great Turkish War
1685 Monmouth Rebellion
1688-1697 War of the League of Augsburg
1700–1721 Great Northern War
1701–1713 War of the Spanish Succession
1703-1711 Rákóczi's War for Independence
1707-1708 Bulavin Rebellion
1712 Toggenburg war
1714-1718 Ottoman–Venetian War
1715-1716 Jacobite Rising of 1715
1716-1718 Austro-Turkish War
1718-1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance
1727-1729 Anglo-Spanish War
1733-1738 War of the Polish Succession
1735-1739 Russo-Turkish War
1737-1739 Austro-Turkish War
1740–1748 War of the Austrian Succession
1741-1743 Russo-Swedish War
1745-1746 Jacobite Rising of 1745
1756–1763 Seven Years' War
1763-1864 Russian–Circassian War
1768-1772 War of the Bar Confederation
1768-1774 Russo-Turkish War
1770 Orlov Revolt
1774-1775 Pugachev's Rebellion
1775-1782 American Revolutionary War (European theatre)
1778-1779 War of the Bavarian Succession
1787-1791 Austro-Turkish War
1787-1792 Russo-Turkish War
1790 Saxon Peasants' Revolt
1792 Polish–Russian War of 1792
1792–1802 French Revolutionary Wars
1794 Kościuszko Uprising
1798 Irish Rebellion of 1798
1804-1813 First Serbian Uprising
1815-1817 Second Serbian Uprising
1817-1864 Russian conquest of the Caucasus
1821-1832 Greek War of Independence
1821 Wallachian uprising of 1821
1823 French invasion of Spain
1826-1828 Russo-Persian War
1828-1829 Russo-Turkish War
1828-1834 Liberal Wars
1830 Ten Days Campaign (following the Belgian Revolt)
1830-1831 November Uprising
1831-1832 Great Bosnian uprising
1833-1839 First Carlist War
1833-1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–1839
1843-1844 Albanian Revolt of 1843–1844
1846 Galician slaughter
1846-1849 Second Carlist War
1847 Albanian Revolt of 1847
1847 Sonderbund War
1848-1849 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence
1848-1851 First Schleswig War
1848–1866 Wars of Italian Independence
1848–1849 First Italian Independence War
1859 Second Italian War of Independence
1866 Third Italian War of Independence
1854 Epirus Revolt of 1854
1854–1856 Crimean War
1858 Mahtra War
1863-1864 January Uprising
1864 Second Schleswig War
1864 January Uprising
1866 Austro-Prussian War
1866-1869 Cretan Revolt
1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
1872-1876 Third Carlist War
1873-1874 Cantonal Revolution
1877–1878 Russo–Turkish War
1878 Epirus Revolt of 1878
1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
1893–1896 Cod War of 1893
1897 Greco–Turkish War
1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1912-1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania
1914–1918 World War I
1916 Easter Rising
1917–1921 Russian Civil War
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia
1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War
1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence
1919 Hungarian–Romanian War of 1919
1919-1922 Greco-Turkish War
1919-1923 Turkish War of Independence
1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War
1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War
1920 Polish-Lithuanian War
1921 Uprising in West Hungary
1922–1923 Irish Civil War
1934 Asturian miners' strike of 1934
1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
1939 Slovak-Hungarian War
1939 Occupation of Zakarpattia Oblast by Hungary
1939–1945 World War II
1939 Soviet invasion of Poland
1939-1940 Winter War
1940-1941Greco-Italian War
1941-1945 Soviet-German war
1941-1944 Continuation War
1944 Slovak National Uprising
1945-1949 Greek Civil War
1953 Uprising in East Germany
1956 Uprising in Poznań
1956 Hungarian Revolution
1959-present Basque Conflict
1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
1968-1998 The Troubles
1970-1984 Unrest in Italy
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1978 Turkey–Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict
1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1989 Romanian Revolution
1991 Ten-Day War
1991-1992 South Ossetian War of Independence
1991-1993 Georgian Civil War
1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992 War of Transnistria
1992 Ossetian-Ingush conflict
1992-1993 First War in Abkhazia
1992-1995 Bosnian War
1994-1996 First Chechen War
1998-1999 Kosovo War
1998-present Republican Dissidents Conflict
1998 Second War in Abkhazia
1999 Dagestan War
1999-2009 Second Chechen War
1999-2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2002 Perejil Island crisis
2004 Unrest in Kosovo
2004 Adjara crisis
2007 Civil war in Ingushetia
2008 War in South Ossetia
2009-present Insurgency in the North Caucasus
Abolish the EU and I'll wager that history will soon carry on repeating itself.
sten_super
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Er sorry, what? I wasn't aware that we had a national dress that we had to wear all the time. Were you in your morris dancers outfit?
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You are just on a big fishing trip here - I hope...
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Absolutely with you on this, do you mean burkas though ? but if i'm honest , it would grate with me even having to show my passport to someone in a hijab .
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Are we having trouble distinguishing between nationality and religion? They are quite distinct, you know?
Trufflehound
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This.
There is also the fact that being a member of the EU allows British people like me to live and work pretty much anywhere in Europe without having to go through the rigmarole of obtaining work permits, etc. It isn't all about immigration...
Trufflehound
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Cuckoo clocks originated in the Black Forest in Germany, not in Switzerland as many people (including Orson Welles) believe - and are thus a fine example of EU ingenuity.
That leaves the Swiss with Uncle Sepp.
And cheese with holes in it.
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I think you mean NATO.
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No , not having any trouble really.
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Indeed.
or allows wealthy Brits to retire to Spain or the Algarve and draw their pensions and keep their UK benefits out there.