"Get Britain Out of the EU" says the Daily Express Special Edition

[Storer 68]

Yes. So because we're allowed to sell beer in pints, I can't see an issue with us opting out of the CAP.

Top logic.

And let most of the farmers go bust overnight

 

[sir albion]

Anybody who voted to stay in the EU needs shooting,its a travesty and one of the main reasons is to spread the wealth and even every country up,this will never work as most other countries in the EU have shite economy's and to be frank are lazy bastards.

The likes of us,france and germany will be shafted for every penny to bail out all these corrupt pointless countries.

 

[Storer 68]

better campaign would be to get the Daily Express out of the EU

 

[beorhthelm]

We've had 60 odd years of peace in western Europe as a consequence of the EU, by comparison the list of conflicts before then is rather long.......
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Abolish the EU and I'll wager that history will soon carry on repeating itself.

and when was the last time a politican stood up and said "the reason for the EU is closer political integration to avoid another war amongst european nations"? for what its worth, they probably do on the continent, but i dont recall it round here.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

I think you mean NATO.

In 1954, the Soviet Union suggested that it should join NATO to preserve peace in Europe. The NATO countries, fearing that the Soviet Union's motive was to weaken the alliance, ultimately rejected this proposal. The incorporation of West Germany into the organization on 9 May 1955 was described as "a decisive turning point in the history of our continent" by Halvard Lange, Foreign Minister of Norway at the time. A major reason for Germany's entry into the alliance was that without German manpower, it would have been impossible to field enough conventional forces to resist a Soviet invasion. Indeed, one of its immediate results was the creation of the Warsaw Pact, signed on 14 May 1955 by the Soviet Union, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, and East Germany, as a formal response to this event, thereby delineating the two opposing sides of the Cold War.

So in effect, NATO actually created the prospects for European conflict.

Most of NATO's actual activities have been in conflicts outside the European theatre, witness it's involvement in Korea, Iraq ( both wars ), Afghanistan, Libya and against Somali pirates. They have not been shy in coming forward where armed conflict is concerned, and they would have done so had the Warsaw Pact nations invaded. Where it has acted in Europe, within the former Yugoslavia, it has done so as a means of last resort, and certainly didn't dissuade the Serbs from exacting terrible suffering on Bosnia and Kosovo.

 

[User removed 4]

No, NATO was formed to counter the threat from the other side of the Iron Curtain, i.e. The Warsaw Pact.

Had the Warsaw Pact invaded, you can guarantee that NATO ( in reality the Americans ) would have turned western Europe into a Nuclear wasteland, so you can't really say they were an organisation formed to foster peace.

I'm referrring to the EU stopping France and Germany beating seven shades of sh!t out of each other every so often, and using Belgium as the venue. Napoleon, the Kaiser and Adolf Hitler.

On your first point, as I said , I think you mean NATO, on your second , pure speculation.

 

[Storer 68]

No, NATO was formed to counter the threat from the other side of the Iron Curtain, i.e. The Warsaw Pact.

Had the Warsaw Pact invaded, you can guarantee that NATO ( in reality the Americans ) would have turned western Europe into a Nuclear wasteland, so you can't really say they were an organisation formed to foster peace.

I'm referrring to the EU stopping France and Germany beating seven shades of sh!t out of each other every so often, and using Belgium as the venue. Napoleon, the Kaiser and Adolf Hitler.

err.......... think you'll find that WE were the ones keen for a fight in Belgium.

We declared war on Germany on 8 August 1914 and then again on 3 September 1939.

 

[Silent Bob]

and when was the last time a politican stood up and said "the reason for the EU is closer political integration to avoid another war amongst european nations"? for what its worth, they probably do on the continent, but i dont recall it round here.

Some Lib Dem did it on Question Time not long ago... tbh it's probably the argument I hear most after the trading one in favour of the EU.
Although the way he made it wasn't that convincing because he was talking about Hungary pointing nukes at uswithin a couple of decades and now they're our allies. Possibly a little more to do with the collapse of the USSR?

I wouldn't really feel informed enough if there was a referendum today, I mostly base my opinion off the fact that the biggest opponents of the EU also happen to be the biggest shitheads, on the whole.

 

[fork me]

Cuckoo clocks originated in the Black Forest in Germany, not in Switzerland as many people (including Orson Welles) believe - and are thus a fine example of EU ingenuity.

That leaves the Swiss with Uncle Sepp.

And cheese with holes in it.

...and lots of Nazi gold...


...allegedly.

 

[fork me]

Anybody who voted to stay in the EU needs shooting

You not a big fan of democracy then?

 

[Westdene Wonder]

I would support a trading agreement with Europe but will vote for any party who will stop Europe interfering with our laws.

 

[cannedheat]

No to what Napoleon and Hitler tried to do.

 

[goldstone]

One of the biggest problems with the EU is that it permits all sorts of foreign johnnies to come here and live:
Smelly froggies smoking gauloises
Boring Belgians
Dutch people with their caravans and making an awful noise when they walk around.
Germans trying to start more wars
Lazy Greeks
Italians on scooters
Spanish taking all the waiter jobs
Danish telling fairy stories
Swedes and their reindeer
etc. etc.

Send them all home, I say.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

You not a big fan of democracy then?

That is the problem..we are fans of democracy...Do you get a vote say on an Italian MEP...or any others MEPS who have a large say on what goes on this country...you cannot vote against them...Did anybody have a vote on the Kinnock family being voted into Brussels...were we asked if we wanted to be in or out Europeon Union....no...democracy is going by the will of the people....so ask us with a referendum.

 

[peterward]

In!

I find it odd that we (rightly) don't trust our national politicians, but then complain about them being constrained by Europe.

My hunch is that there isn't much that we really need national decision-making for. Most things that can't be decided locally/regionally are probably big and strategic enough that a pan-European decision would work best.

I couldn't disagree more........ One of the worst things about the EU is that its so patently undemocratic, unelected politicians setting laws that affect us, appointed individuals that neither we voted for or we can vote out.

National referendums in some countries, where the people speak against further integration, only to get them to re-vote again until they get the required results or prevent them voting period.

I couldn't stand the last Gordon Brown lead government, but I would still much sooner have him or any other elected British Prime minister running our country and setting our laws, however rightly or wrongly and from whatever party than an unelected appointee. However badly the British PM may do, at the very least he's British and doing what he sees best for Britian, and if we don't like him/her we can boot them out. Not so the EU. How can for instance, a Lithuanian or Hungarian MEP truly understand or even care for British problems?...... Yet they could theoretically be involved in setting laws for us and we can do nothing to get rid of them.

Free trade was the original remit and nothing more, open borders is also a benefit, free movement of trade and people only, but beyond that nothing that has been done has happened with recourse to democracy. Its an anti-democratic Political project imposed upon the masses, that is stripping national powers in the hands of democratically elected leaders in Westminster and putting them into undemocratically leaders in Brussels who then dictate.

Gordon Brown should be praised for stopping Blair signing up to the Euro and ECB exchange/interest rates.

Whoever controls the money controls the country. If I controlled your bank accounts and all your money, how free are you?

Its a beast, a political elite 'we know best' super project, it stinks of cronyism and I would sooner be in a poorer independent country outside it (not that we will be despite the propaganda) than inside this festering dictatorial monster. I will run to the ballot box to tick a massive X in OUT, not that I will ever be allowed to vote.

 

[Lush]

If you've got 10 minutes to listen to this (or a minute or two to read it) about the folly of continuing a policy that you know is nonsense, it's well worth it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14587364

 

[fork me]

That is the problem..we are fans of democracy...Do you get a vote say on an Italian MEP...or any others MEPS who have a large say on what goes on this country...you cannot vote against them...Did anybody have a vote on the Kinnock family being voted into Brussels...were we asked if we wanted to be in or out Europeon Union....no...democracy is going by the will of the people....so ask us with a referendum.

A referendum where the poster I replied to wants anyone who disagrees with him shot? Shoot those that disagree with you in the name of democracy?

Can you REALLY not see the problem with this?

 

[peterward]

You not a big fan of democracy then?

The EU certainly isn't, self imposed rule by unelected officials

 

[El Presidente]

The EU certainly isn't, self imposed rule by unelected officials

Bit like our coalition government then.

 

[matthew]

Atm we get less out of it than what we put into it because we're not a very big agricultural country. But if we leave we'll lose even more money anyway because even less countries will buy from us.