"Get Britain Out of the EU" says the Daily Express Special Edition

[User removed 4]

To be honest, I do see where you're coming from.

However I think a newspaper using her tragic death incessantly solely as a means to boost their own profits (IMHO that's the only reason they do it) is just as terrible, and should be picked up on - if that is done through humour then so be it, the joke isn't on Maddie at all.

Got to admit I dont buy the express, so dont see this going on, if thats true then of course it sickening, but there are other ways of highlighting it, and jokes on NSC , even if not meant directly against her, are not the best way.

 

[Don Quixote]

If we weren't in it we'd be much worse off.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Name one of these stupid laws.

Something I have wondered for a long time. People bang on and on about these supposedly mad European laws, can anyone name one that affects them directly. I know I couldn't offhand.

 

[User removed 4]

Switzerland has an advantage of exporting services that are in demand, and therefore does not suffer significantly from being outside the EU.

As much as people may dislike the City of London, it is a massive contributor to the Treasury, and a large part of it would relocate to Frankfurt if we pulled out of the EU.

Much of what happens in Strasbourg is odious, but the economic costs of being outside would be massive (no Japanese car factories for a start in the likes of Sunderland etc.).

But worst of all, how would find a reliable plumber?

Which part is that then ? I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Biscuit]

In.

Let's get over out island mentality people. Europe might even listen to us if we weren't so up ourselves.

 

[beorhthelm]

As much as people may dislike the City of London, it is a massive contributor to the Treasury, and a large part of it would relocate to Frankfurt if we pulled out of the EU.

Much of what happens in Strasbourg is odious, but the economic costs of being outside would be massive (no Japanese car factories for a start in the likes of Sunderland etc.).

firstly, much of what occurs in the City is done their because of our historic expertise, much is done because we dont have some of the more onerous legalities that exist on the continent. most euro denominated bonds are traded here despite us not being in the eurozone. finance people dont want to be in Frankfurt and its what we do rather well, financial services.

secondly, the economic cost would only be high if we left the free trade agreement portion. if the borders are open to trade, then the japanese car factory will remain here. we are one of the top trading partners for most other EU countries, so they would hardly be in a position to take their bat home as it would hurt them just as much.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

There are lots of benefits to an integrated Europe, by this I don't mean a 'United States of Europe' (Churchill style) but organisations such as the ECSC which was set up in 1951 and ended in 2002 showed the benefits to having closer trade links with our European 'Neighbours'. By the 1980's , and even more so today there was a need for member states to compete in World markets with economy's such as the USA, Japan and China. A single European market increases the specialisation of production at company level and allows for greater economies of scale which leads to more competitive firms. This was covered by the introduction of the Single European Act (SEA)
However in more recent years since 1992 (Maastricht Treaty on the European Union) there has been a greater feeling of 'loss of sovereignty' which is what most people seem to be annoyed about.
I would vote to leave the EU for this reason, and also stop the binding of the ECJ on our national courts, as the ECJ is out of control of the member states. Of course, there are lots of benefits to having close ties with Europe, which is why I would prefer something along the lines of the EEC, which maintains Sovereignty and strong trade links. My examples for countries would be Norway and Switzerland, who are both not in the EU, and when I have spoken to people about this, wouldn't want to join it due to the most recent Lisbon Treaty.
(I’m studying Politics in the European Union at University…)

 

[Simster]

firstly, much of what occurs in the City is done their because of our historic expertise, much is done because we dont have some of the more onerous legalities that exist on the continent. most euro denominated bonds are traded here despite us not being in the eurozone. finance people dont want to be in Frankfurt and its what we do rather well, financial services.

It is done because we have the infrastructure. The fact that we are not in the eurozone is neither here nor there, it just means the £ is a useful hedging currency. El Pres is definitely right in that we will lose business to Frankfurt, but nobody can be sure how much. However, given that 9% of tax receipts comes from the city, is it risk worth taking?

secondly, the economic cost would only be high if we left the free trade agreement portion. if the borders are open to trade, then the japanese car factory will remain here. we are one of the top trading partners for most other EU countries, so they would hardly be in a position to take their bat home as it would hurt them just as much.

I love this idea that other countries are going to let us select which bits of the EU we are going to opt into. Brilliant.

 

[User removed 4]

It is done because we have the infrastructure. The fact that we are not in the eurozone is neither here nor there, it just means the £ is a useful hedging currency. El Pres is definitely right in that we will lose business to Frankfurt, but nobody can be sure how much. However, given that 9% of tax receipts comes from the city, is it risk worth taking?

I love this idea that other countries are going to let us select which bits of the EU we are going to opt into. Brilliant.

Genuine question, what business will we lose to frankfurt, and why ? They said that when we stayed out of the euro and the ECB was headquartered in Frankfurt, but we lost precious little, if any business there.

 

[User removed 4]

I love this idea that other countries are going to let us select which bits of the EU we are going to opt into. Brilliant.

The French seem to !!

 

[beorhthelm]

I love this idea that other countries are going to let us select which bits of the EU we are going to opt into. Brilliant.

you're right, better to bin it all and join the EFTA instead. on the other hand, if there is some benefits to us having more influence than that gives, we do have a multi billion £ bargining chip.

they said we'd lose business to Frankfurt when we stayed out of the Euro. not only did that not happen, we got most the international euro business. much to their annoyance.

the irony is, most europeans dont want the EU they have ended up with either. Irish, French, Danish and Dutch voted against treaties in the past 10 years, other havent been given the oppurtunity. it exists primarily to further the careers of european politicans.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

firstly, much of what occurs in the City is done their because of our historic expertise, much is done because we dont have some of the more onerous legalities that exist on the continent. most euro denominated bonds are traded here despite us not being in the eurozone. finance people dont want to be in Frankfurt and its what we do rather well, financial services.

secondly, the economic cost would only be high if we left the free trade agreement portion. if the borders are open to trade, then the japanese car factory will remain here. we are one of the top trading partners for most other EU countries, so they would hardly be in a position to take their bat home as it would hurt them just as much.

We are now losing inward investment because a non-EU company wanting to open a factory in the union would rather be in the eurozone than outside and subject to the lottery of shifting exchange rates. (Incidentally, one bit of good news on the automotive front is that manufacturers are now bringing prototype vehicles to UK roads for suspension stress-testing. Saves them going all the way to Africa.)

 

[User removed 4]

We are now losing inward investment because a non-EU company wanting to open a factory in the union would rather be in the eurozone than outside and subject to the lottery of shifting exchange rates. (Incidentally, one bit of good news on the automotive front is that manufacturers are now bringing prototype vehicles to UK roads for suspension stress-testing. Saves them going all the way to Africa.)

They are opening these factories in eurozone countries where labour is cheap, IE eastern europe, they wouldnt be opening them here anyway, or germany or france.

 

[El Presidente]

Which part is that then ? I'm genuinely interested.

A number of the investment banks would relocate. The benefits of being located in the EU for EU orientated M&A deals, especially if having to be ratified by Brussels for anti monopoly legislation would be a big incentive.

 

[fire&skill]

Proud to be BRITISH. Happy to be in Europe.

 

[El Presidente]

we are one of the top trading partners for most other EU countries, so they would hardly be in a position to take their bat home as it would hurt them just as much.

But protectionism already exists between EU and Non EU nations, so it would therefore apply to the UK if we pulled out.

And there's still the issue of the plumbers of course.

 

[User removed 4]

A number of the investment banks would relocate. The benefits of being located in the EU for EU orientated M&A deals, especially if having to be ratified by Brussels for anti monopoly legislation would be a big incentive.

In the nicest possible way El pres, I think thats bollocks my old mate. Though I make you right on the plumbers.

 

[Gwylan]

the irony is, most europeans dont want the EU they have ended up with either. Irish, French, Danish and Dutch voted against treaties in the past 10 years, other havent been given the oppurtunity. it exists primarily to further the careers of european politicans.

I'm not particularly in favour of the EU (and would probably vote to come out if there was a straight referendum) but there are anti-EU parties in every country, including the UK. All EU countries have general elections with an opportunity to vote for an anti-EU ticket, yet pro_EU parties generally win. In the last general election, for example, pro-EU parties won about 98% of the vote, the antis won 2%. That suggests that there's no massive hunger to leave the EU at the moment.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm not particularly in favour of the EU (and would probably vote to come out if there was a straight referendum) but there are anti-EU parties in every country, including the UK. All EU countries have general elections with an opportunity to vote for an anti-EU ticket, yet pro_EU parties generally win. In the last general election, for example, pro-EU parties won about 98% of the vote, the antis won 2%. That suggests that there's no massive hunger to leave the EU at the moment.

Thats pretty disingenuous because all the anti EU parties are single issue, much as i agree with a lot of their policies, I wouldnt want UKIP running the country.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

There are lots of benefits to an integrated Europe, by this I don't mean a 'United States of Europe' (Churchill style) but organisations such as the ECSC which was set up in 1951 and ended in 2002 showed the benefits to having closer trade links with our European 'Neighbours'. By the 1980's , and even more so today there was a need for member states to compete in World markets with economy's such as the USA, Japan and China. A single European market increases the specialisation of production at company level and allows for greater economies of scale which leads to more competitive firms. This was covered by the introduction of the Single European Act (SEA)
However in more recent years since 1992 (Maastricht Treaty on the European Union) there has been a greater feeling of 'loss of sovereignty' which is what most people seem to be annoyed about.
I would vote to leave the EU for this reason, and also stop the binding of the ECJ on our national courts, as the ECJ is out of control of the member states. Of course, there are lots of benefits to having close ties with Europe, which is why I would prefer something along the lines of the EEC, which maintains Sovereignty and strong trade links. My examples for countries would be Norway and Switzerland, who are both not in the EU, and when I have spoken to people about this, wouldn't want to join it due to the most recent Lisbon Treaty.
(I’m studying Politics in the European Union at University…)

Glad to see you are doing some work as well as having a good time!

See you at Millwall.