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"Get Britain Out of the EU" says the Daily Express Special Edition
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Could the Express perhaps channel her feelings through a medium or "former trusted friend", so that we may share in them?
Perhaps if we had an NSC SEANCE in Dick's Bar someone could perhaps ask her?
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I'm entirely happy to be an Englishman. My ancestors came over from Denmark in little boats. My country has no head of state, no army, no parliament and no national anthem. It has been in a tight political and economic union for hundreds of years and yet I still feel English. The union of the United Kingdom, for good or bad, has not destroyed Scottish, Welsh or English identity. So how on earth can people say that being in a much looser union with other countries destroy everything we stand for?
You cannot have a truly common market without a common currency (or at least a common exchange rate policy) and you can't have a common currency (as is now obvious) without a common fiscal policy. But does it really matter if we adopt the levels of financial morality of, say, Germany or Holland?
The fact is that successive governments have kept our economy afloat in part by trashing our own currency. Hague and Fox and others argue that this ability to gerrymander sterling in this way is a sign of independence and patriotism. It's the opposite. The bombed out state of the pound has led directly to the situation where is seems every other utility is foreign-owned. Our motor industry is run from Japan, India, Germany and Detroit.
Of course there's an argument against the European Union. There can be an argument against almost anything. But for most people arguing against the EU is just a cover for a visceral distrust of foreigners, particularly those with 'shiny shoes and small moustaches'. It's the political equivalent of standing up if you hate Palace. And it's nasty.
I would vastly rather be a member of the European community than a dangling plaything of successive US presidents. Send for Angela!
You cannot have a truly common market without a common currency (or at least a common exchange rate policy) and you can't have a common currency (as is now obvious) without a common fiscal policy. But does it really matter if we adopt the levels of financial morality of, say, Germany or Holland?
The fact is that successive governments have kept our economy afloat in part by trashing our own currency. Hague and Fox and others argue that this ability to gerrymander sterling in this way is a sign of independence and patriotism. It's the opposite. The bombed out state of the pound has led directly to the situation where is seems every other utility is foreign-owned. Our motor industry is run from Japan, India, Germany and Detroit.
Of course there's an argument against the European Union. There can be an argument against almost anything. But for most people arguing against the EU is just a cover for a visceral distrust of foreigners, particularly those with 'shiny shoes and small moustaches'. It's the political equivalent of standing up if you hate Palace. And it's nasty.
I would vastly rather be a member of the European community than a dangling plaything of successive US presidents. Send for Angela!
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No Norway or Switzerland then.
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Couldnt give a f*** if i get banned for this , you are a **** of the first order for jokes like that , and i will tell you that to your face ANY TIME YOU FANCY , the ball is in your court, you two bob ****.
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I think we'd have been better doing a Norway. Having the trading benefits of the EU without having to fund all the bureaucracy. They do pay a bit in each year to the the EU for the privilege, but it is peanuts compared to what we pay, which means they can spend the more on themselves. They also have been careful with the oil money they generate. Where as we have pissed all the North sea oil profit up the wall, they have carefully controlled and spent theirs, which means they now have a huge fund (and it is huge at many 100's of billions $) to help finance the country in the long term.
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The impact on UK business is really unmeasureable ( is there such a word ? ) - pro's will say it's vital to stay part of the EU to protect this unquantifiable thing and anti's will say it will make no difference to it by leaving. As with anything economic there's no real way of telling - even the boffins will disagree based on which flavour of economics they follow.
Personally, I think Switzerland gives us a good example of what can be achieved outside the EU but then I'm anti-EU !
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Mocking the death of Maddie is obviously bang out of order. Mocking the Daily Express's obsession with it is entirely different. I don't want to get involved in an argument myself but, for what it's worth, I suspect SM was doing the latter...
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You make jokes about a little girl being abducted and christ knows what being done to her, and I am the swivel eyed loon ? Correspondence is closed because you melted , no other reason.
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Using her name in conjunction with any so called "joke " is crass and insensitive in any situation mate.
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Indeed.
Nothing like a bit of self righteous frothing at the mouth though is there, especially when the poster concerned has track.
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To be honest, I do see where you're coming from.
However I think a newspaper using her tragic death incessantly solely as a means to boost their own profits (IMHO that's the only reason they do it) is just as terrible, and should be picked up on - if that is done through humour then so be it, the joke isn't on Maddie at all.
Switzerland has an advantage of exporting services that are in demand, and therefore does not suffer significantly from being outside the EU.
As much as people may dislike the City of London, it is a massive contributor to the Treasury, and a large part of it would relocate to Frankfurt if we pulled out of the EU.
Much of what happens in Strasbourg is odious, but the economic costs of being outside would be massive (no Japanese car factories for a start in the likes of Sunderland etc.).
But worst of all, how would find a reliable plumber?
Name one of these stupid laws.
No I didn't and considering this country is almost bankrupt we can ill afford the billions it costs us.