[Albion] Fab out?

[Mancgull]

I know a few people have mentioned Liam Rosenior. I saw this doing the rounds online, if you want to see one of his dressing room team talks.

The reason why it’s better is that it’s authentic. It’s personal to the players that were on the bench who he complemented for their attitude. It’s not words for words sake such as’consistency’ and ‘togetherness’
I’m not a fan of videos in dressing rooms as in my opinion these conversations should be private, but as we have them for comparison I know which one would motivate me more if I was a player.
Just my opinion.

 

[Justice]

The reason why it’s better is that it’s authentic. It’s personal to the players that were on the bench who he complemented for their attitude. It’s not words for words sake such as’consistency’ and ‘togetherness’
I’m not a fan of videos in dressing rooms as in my opinion these conversations should be private, but as we have them for comparison I know which one would motivate me more if I was a player.
Just my opinion.

After Spurs half the players were taking no notice of his trust the process speech when the cameras visited the dressing room.

 

[oldboyroy]

I think the RDZ connection was probably the reason. Warned off us.

It was reported that RDZ suggested to Bloom and Barber to consider Farioli when they decided the mutual consent departure.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Lacking context somewhat though. Everyone on here knew RDZ needed support, and our summer window hadn’t exactly been brilliant. But what he did was give us a clear identity when the team was fit.

FH has been given £240m of talent, and yes he’s had injuries, and yes some of those players are young, but there’s been no progress or improvement in any of them really, and no real sign of a proper style.

How much of that £200m (€240m) has he actually been able to regularly put in the park? I’d say Minteh and Rutter. Gruda definitely one for the future.

O Reilly hasn’t been fit, Wieffer just when he looked like he might be finding his feet now out, Ferdi out, rest out on loan. Where’s your context in your own conclusion?

 

[oldboyroy]

You could see it very clearly from where we were too. The picture actually captures it. Rutter marking no one, Gibbs-White has escaped and Lamptey is in a mis-match. But the delivery from Elanga was FANTASTIC. Absolutely perfect for the move illustrated. I don't think we've put a ball in like that all season.

Corners is a side issue for me though. The simple long and short of it is do the players 'trust the process'. If he really has lost the dressing room and it's unrecoverable then TB will have to act sooner rather than later. If we believe this was a blip or even if the players are currently struggling with FH but can be brought round then we'll give the Head Coach time. That's how we operate, no matter what NSC polls say.

Personally I think he's in the last chance saloon. Too many players are unfancied, too many line up changes, no real leadership. It smacks of a depressed squad. People talk about the away win sequence but forget that until we scored at Norwich we were awful. The pressing was non existent, defence all over the shop, they hit the post and their fans sang "Premier League, you're having a laugh". Me and the bloke behind me were shaking our heads and despairing at the pressing and passing. Then Rutter released the pressure with a great headed finish and Norwich heads dropped. United are a bigger shambles than us by a very, very long chalk and McKenna is going through a bad - as in losing to Southampton bad - patch. But faced with two sides who are basically just functional football teams with good organisation we had one shot on target at home and then lost 7-0 away.

I think you maybe right with last chance saloon. Yes, Fab needs some time to get it right(if he can) and as a guess he will be given till end of season. Looking back to last season and the poor form under Roberto, we had injuries galore including the likes of Mitoma, March, young Jack, Lallana, Pervis, Enciso, Webby, Dunk, Milner, Welbz, Fergie and some put it down to Roberto working them too hard in training. Fast forward to now and we've got the same again. Fab working them too hard? Yes, several games were shocking Roma Luton Villa Fulham and Bournemouth spring to mind but we still played some good stuff against the rest with half the squad injured compared to now where we look devoid of tactics and a defensive shambles.

 

[Swegulls]

It was reported that RDZ suggested to Bloom and Barber to consider Farioli when they decided the mutual consent departure.

... mutual consent sacking, surely

 

[JBizzle]

Lacking context somewhat though. Everyone on here knew RDZ needed support, and our summer window hadn’t exactly been brilliant. But what he did was give us a clear identity when the team was fit.

FH has been given £240m of talent, and yes he’s had injuries, and yes some of those players are young, but there’s been no progress or improvement in any of them really, and no real sign of a proper style.

I don't disagree, but other than Rutter, none of that £240m has been available to FH on the pitch. As I've said before, Minteh, Weiffer, Ferdi, O'Riley, Gruda have all been out for long, long stretches.

Add to that, I think FH gets that £240m used as a stick with which to beat him when we all know that signing just one perma-injured defender and 15 number 10s was always going to unbalance the squad.

 

[JBizzle]

Do you not think that from March onwards there wasn’t much to play for? That would explain the drop off. Not a very valid excuse but you can see why we dipped end of season. FH has everything to play for, but he’s struggling with it already.

I don't disagree with that either, that said if I recall, the fans still had to pay to watch that utter crud for the last six months with RDZ sulking in the dug out and none of the players trying a leg.

As of January last year though, after the Roma defeat, we were 9th (5 points off 6th) and still well in with a chance of re-qualifying for Europe.

Plenty to play for, I'd argue

 

[Justice]

I don't disagree, but other than Rutter, none of that £240m has been available to FH on the pitch. As I've said before, Minteh, Weiffer, Ferdi, O'Riley, Gruda have all been out for long, long stretches.

Add to that, I think FH gets that £240m used as a stick with which to beat him when we all know that signing just one perma-injured defender and 15 number 10s was always going to unbalance the squad.

I know Pervis has been out for a couple of games although are Ferdi and Wieffer going to make that much difference from what we’ve seen of them?

 

[Hiheidi]

 

[Deadly Danson]

I know Pervis has been out for a couple of games although are Ferdi and Wieffer going to make that much difference from what we’ve seen of them?

Yes.

 

[One Love]

The most important game of the season coming up for Fab.

After a 7-0 thrashing the players will have done a lot of soul searching and be 100% focussed for Saturday.

There's plenty of guessing being done about whether the players are on board, Saturday we find out.

 

[jackalbion]

I know Pervis has been out for a couple of games although are Ferdi and Wieffer going to make that much difference from what we’ve seen of them?

If the manager can get the most out of them, in his system, then yes they are top players, however thats my worry.

 

[The Fits]

He’s young and waves his hands around too much but that’s very fair.

Summary:

No pressure from our CBs which is unusual for a high line team.
Rely on fluidity of attacking players, which isn’t happening atm.
Baleba is being targeted.
Results have flattered us since November.

Specific to Forest:
Our pressing shape left space out wide (suicidal against Forest)
Mitoma not done enough defensively.
Lamptey not enough awareness.
Not learning from repeated actions and threats from Forest.
Nuno outthought Fab. Fab set up for failure.
Hinsh overly exposed.
Poor at set plays with the wrong players on the wrong men and lack of aggression.
Not enough pressure, easily absorbed.
Couldn’t handle pace of attacks.
Dunk poor.
Heads gone.

Not writing Fab off but if he tries anything close to that at Bouremouth same result is likely.
Not optimistic about Brighton moving forwards.

Pretty savage.


Big response needed over the next 5 games.

(Really sad and concerned neutrals are seeing how quickly Dunk is dropping off. It’s gutting)

 

[Guinness Boy]

He’s young and waves his hands around too much but that’s very fair.

Summary:

No pressure from our CBs which is unusual for a high line team.
Rely on fluidity of attacking players, which isn’t happening atm.
Baleba is being targeted.
Results have flattered us since November.

Specific to Forest:
Our pressing shape left space out wide (suicidal against Forest)
Mitoma not done enough defensively.
Lamptey not enough awareness.
Not learning from repeated actions and threats from Forest.
Nuno outthought Fab. Fab set up for failure.
Hinsh overly exposed.
Poor at set plays with the wrong players on the wrong men and lack of aggression.
Not enough pressure, easily absorbed.
Couldn’t handle pace of attacks.
Dunk poor.
Heads gone.

Not writing Fab off but if he tries anything close to that at Bouremouth same result is likely.
Not optimistic about Brighton moving forwards.

Pretty savage.


Big response needed over the next 5 games.

(Really sad and concerned neutrals are seeing how quickly Dunk is dropping off. It’s gutting)

I was going to 'like' that for the fact you summarised it but I can't like it. It's too many things wrong and so many of them have been posted on here. In particular the space out wide, exposing Hinsh, poor set play set ups, exposed by pace, Dunk and Lamptey, heads gone.

No one person has mentioned all of that all in one go but everything on the list covered on here at least once.

 

[chaileyjem]

Do you not think that from March onwards there wasn’t much to play for? That would explain the drop off. Not a very valid excuse but you can see why we dipped end of season. FH has everything to play for, but he’s struggling with it already.

Doesn't explain the 4-0 defeat to Luton in January. Doesn't explain the 4-0 defeat at Roma either.

 

[jackalbion]

Doesn't explain the 4-0 defeat to Luton in January. Doesn't explain the 4-0 defeat at Roma either.

No it doesn't but we came back from the 4-0 to Luton with a 4-1 win against Palace, the 4-0 loss set up a 1-0 win against Roma (which could have been more), lets see if Fab gets a reaction out of this team, because after defeats so far we've come back with Lukewarm performances (barring after Chelsea when we beat spurs).

 

[chaileyjem]

I was going to 'like' that for the fact you summarised it but I can't like it. It's too many things wrong and so many of them have been posted on here. In particular the space out wide, exposing Hinsh, poor set play set ups, exposed by pace, Dunk and Lamptey, heads gone.

No one person has mentioned all of that all in one go but everything on the list covered on here at least once.

i'm not in denial here - last week exposes rightful questions about the coach and also the players . As does Everton, the other games against the bottom four, the collapses v Wolves and Leicester and Palace. But there's caution in extrapolating the poor tactics for one game - eg: Bournemouth 5-Forest 0 perhaps, ignoring the positives from Villa, Ipswich, United, Arsenal and earlier in the season v City, and also wondering why given how terrible we're supposed to be and a lot of the commentary struggles with any sort of balance now - how come we're 10th and have 34 points with 15 games to go.

 

[chaileyjem]

No it doesn't but we came back from the 4-0 to Luton with a 4-1 win against Palace, the 4-0 loss set up a 1-0 win against Roma (which could have been more), lets see if Fab gets a reaction out of this team, because after defeats so far we've come back with Lukewarm performances (barring after Chelsea when we beat spurs).

He's done well going 2-0 down to Spurs, and 1-0 to City and coming back at Villa and Arsenal. And changing up after the first half at United where for a moment they looked like winning. He does it have in him but yep there's a lot to fix here.

 

[The Fits]

I was going to 'like' that for the fact you summarised it but I can't like it. It's too many things wrong and so many of them have been posted on here. In particular the space out wide, exposing Hinsh, poor set play set ups, exposed by pace, Dunk and Lamptey, heads gone.

No one person has mentioned all of that all in one go but everything on the list covered on here at least once.

It’s now absolutely vital all of those things improve noticeably in the next month:

Pressing in the correct areas.
Mitoma being given a rocket up his arse.
Lamptey not being left overly exposed, dropped all together or played in a position with less defence responsibility. And not marking 6ft4 players.
Responding, in game, to obvious areas of threat- ie adding numbers, tactical shift.
Fab getting his formation right.
Having numbers in midfield.
Some kind of improvement at set pieces, any.
More pace and purpose in attack.
Better at dealing with pacey attacks- defenders starting positions, personnel.
Dunk?
Never giving up.

Sounds a lot improve in 5 games. Nobody is expecting miracles but even neutral kids can see where the improvements are needed. Fab and his team should be aware of them too.