[Albion] Fab out?

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I don't think we need to focus on scoring from corners, but the set up for the corner we conceded from (Gibbs White) was APPALLING. The set up was complete mess

Yep. It went wrong. Forest clustered 4 players. We actually had 4 watching that cluster so were technically man for man. MGW then peeled round the back of them leaving 3 marked but MGW free. Rutter was left marking the same man who João Pedro was touch tight on.

Weirdly the organisation (the shape before the corner) was there. The issue is the player was then lost. Won't be hard to fix. Only had to watch it once to see who didn't pick up the runner.

But as I pointed out, we are not conceding way more than other teams. Of course the most recent calamity will be the one sticking in the mind, but let's not suddenly pretend we have been a shambles defending from corners all season. Like I said, those stats showed us conceding something like 4 every 100 corners, compared to the other teams on about 3.

So much so that when looking for stats on goals conceded from corners, there was an article from October stating the teams who still hadn't conceded from a corner in the PL. Brighton being one of them.

 

[UnhingedSeagull94]

That has actually reminded me that we supposedly looked at (interviewed?) RDZ's actual disciple - Francesco Farioli. Not sure if we turned him down or him us in favour of Ajax - he seems to be doing well though.

The latter. Was never really big on coming to us.

 

[UnhingedSeagull94]

I don't think we need to focus on scoring from corners, but the set up for the corner we conceded from (Gibbs White) was APPALLING. The set up was complete mess.

You just knew it was gonna happen, like I said to you 30 seconds before the ball came in.

 

[Hiheidi]

The latter. Was never really big on coming to us.

Interesting. Do you think Farioli was our second choice after McKenna? I wonder why he didn't fancy it? I assume he's still close with RDZ.

 

[Springal]

I get buying prospects and selling for profit no problem with that although a prospect manager does not make much sense. The player needs to respect the coach and feed of his experience. Without FH having much experience I’m not sure how that works.

He had pretty much the same experience as RDZ (7 or 8 years wasn’t it?)

 

[Swegulls]

Yep. It went wrong. Forest clustered 4 players. We actually had 4 watching that cluster so were technically man for man. MGW then peeled round the back of them leaving 3 marked but MGW free. Rutter was left marking the same man who João Pedro was touch tight on.

Weirdly the organisation (the shape before the corner) was there. The issue is the player was then lost. Won't be hard to fix. Only had to watch it once to see who didn't pick up the runner.






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But as I pointed out, we are not conceding way more than other teams. Of course the most recent calamity will be the one sticking in the mind, but let's not suddenly pretend we have been a shambles defending from corners all season. Like I said, those stats showed us conceding something like 4 every 100 corners, compared to the other teams on about 3.

So much so that when looking for stats on goals conceded from corners, there was an article from October stating the teams who still hadn't conceded from a corner in the PL. Brighton being one of them.

Is it Morato against Lamptey, he must be 190+ cm?

 

[Hiheidi]

He had pretty much the same experience as RDZ (7 or 8 years wasn’t it?)

RDZ had a couple of years in the Italian 3rd tier, followed by two years in the 2nd tier and three years in Serie A, before a year in Ukraine. He worked his way up, tried out new things, learning from mistakes along the way.

Hürzeler had four years in non league, followed by a year and a half in the German second tier. I can't see how it's comparable experience.

 

[chaileyjem]

RDZ had a couple of years in the Italian 3rd tier, followed by two years in the 2nd tier and three years in Serie A, before a year in Ukraine. He worked his way up, tried out new things, learning from mistakes along the way.

Hürzeler had four years in non league, followed by a year and a half in the German second tier. I can't see how it's comparable experience.

It comparable to Potter , McKenna etc though. Glasner has way more experience for example - and has had longer to find his feet but he's finding the PL difficult as well and performances/results have been similarly mixed.

 

[Flounce]

It comparable to Potter , McKenna etc though. Glasner has way more experience for example - and has had longer to find his feet but he's finding the PL difficult as well and performances/results have been similarly mixed.

All true but you can see the game plan they are trying to implement with the managers you list, can you see FH’s?

If so, please enlighten me

 

[Hiheidi]

It comparable to Potter , McKenna etc though. Glasner has way more experience for example - and has had longer to find his feet but he's finding the PL difficult as well and performances/results have been similarly mixed.

Potter had more experience pre-Brighton than Hürzeler - (even ignoring the university coaching) seven years at Ostersund - which included three promotions and a foray into European football - surely ranks higher than four years in non league which included promotion and relegation*.


*Hürzeler joined Pipinsried in 2016 and left in 2020, so whoever took over from him in 2020 managed to get them promoted again in '21.

 

[Justice]

He had pretty much the same experience as RDZ (7 or 8 years wasn’t it?)

4 years at an amateur club player/coach.
Two years at.St Pauli
And here we are.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yep. It went wrong. Forest clustered 4 players. We actually had 4 watching that cluster so were technically man for man. MGW then peeled round the back of them leaving 3 marked but MGW free. Rutter was left marking the same man who João Pedro was touch tight on.

Weirdly the organisation (the shape before the corner) was there. The issue is the player was then lost. Won't be hard to fix. Only had to watch it once to see who didn't pick up the runner.






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But as I pointed out, we are not conceding way more than other teams. Of course the most recent calamity will be the one sticking in the mind, but let's not suddenly pretend we have been a shambles defending from corners all season. Like I said, those stats showed us conceding something like 4 every 100 corners, compared to the other teams on about 3.

So much so that when looking for stats on goals conceded from corners, there was an article from October stating the teams who still hadn't conceded from a corner in the PL. Brighton being one of them.

You just knew it was gonna happen, like I said to you 30 seconds before the ball came in.

You could see it very clearly from where we were too. The picture actually captures it. Rutter marking no one, Gibbs-White has escaped and Lamptey is in a mis-match. But the delivery from Elanga was FANTASTIC. Absolutely perfect for the move illustrated. I don't think we've put a ball in like that all season.

Corners is a side issue for me though. The simple long and short of it is do the players 'trust the process'. If he really has lost the dressing room and it's unrecoverable then TB will have to act sooner rather than later. If we believe this was a blip or even if the players are currently struggling with FH but can be brought round then we'll give the Head Coach time. That's how we operate, no matter what NSC polls say.

Personally I think he's in the last chance saloon. Too many players are unfancied, too many line up changes, no real leadership. It smacks of a depressed squad. People talk about the away win sequence but forget that until we scored at Norwich we were awful. The pressing was non existent, defence all over the shop, they hit the post and their fans sang "Premier League, you're having a laugh". Me and the bloke behind me were shaking our heads and despairing at the pressing and passing. Then Rutter released the pressure with a great headed finish and Norwich heads dropped. United are a bigger shambles than us by a very, very long chalk and McKenna is going through a bad - as in losing to Southampton bad - patch. But faced with two sides who are basically just functional football teams with good organisation we had one shot on target at home and then lost 7-0 away.

 

[Guinness Boy]

4 years at an amateur club player/coach.
Two years at.St Pauli
And here we are.

You're saying someone who'd coached in Serie A and the Champions League might have had a bit more relevant experience?

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Fab came in saying how important set plays are, so I expected something innovative both defending and attacking. Still waiting for something like this:

Blackburn vs Preston: Blackburn's unique corner routine

Blackburn Rovers came up with one of the most unique corner routines in the history of English football in their match against Preston.

www.skysports.com

 

[jackalbion]

Yep. It went wrong. Forest clustered 4 players. We actually had 4 watching that cluster so were technically man for man. MGW then peeled round the back of them leaving 3 marked but MGW free. Rutter was left marking the same man who João Pedro was touch tight on.

Weirdly the organisation (the shape before the corner) was there. The issue is the player was then lost. Won't be hard to fix. Only had to watch it once to see who didn't pick up the runner.






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But as I pointed out, we are not conceding way more than other teams. Of course the most recent calamity will be the one sticking in the mind, but let's not suddenly pretend we have been a shambles defending from corners all season. Like I said, those stats showed us conceding something like 4 every 100 corners, compared to the other teams on about 3.

So much so that when looking for stats on goals conceded from corners, there was an article from October stating the teams who still hadn't conceded from a corner in the PL. Brighton being one of them.

Be interesting to see the stat since October?

 

[jackalbion]

RDZ had a couple of years in the Italian 3rd tier, followed by two years in the 2nd tier and three years in Serie A, before a year in Ukraine. He worked his way up, tried out new things, learning from mistakes along the way.

Hürzeler had four years in non league, followed by a year and a half in the German second tier. I can't see how it's comparable experience.

Are we looking at the German Dave Hockaday here?

 

[chaileyjem]

You're saying someone who'd coached in Serie A and the Champions League might have had a bit more relevant experience?

Oh the powers of hindsight and the idea that there's some sort of hierarchy of experience that determines success (it probably does but its incredibly complicated)

eg: Glasner has won the Europa League with Frankfurt ! yet has - up til now at least had a worse season than the Albion. Perhaps over time he'll prove to be the right appointment - they've certainly had a couple of decent results recently.

 

[Insel affe]

Oh the powers of hindsight and the idea that there's some sort of hierarchy of experience that determines success (it probably does but its incredibly complicated)

eg: Glasner has won the Europa League with Frankfurt ! yet has - up til now at least had a worse season than the Albion. Perhaps over time he'll prove to be the right appointment - they've certainly had a couple of decent results recently.

I would take Glasner all day long at the moment over "Trust the process Guy's"

 

[Jim in the West]

I don't think we need to focus on scoring from corners, but the set up for the corner we conceded from (Gibbs White) was APPALLING. The set up was complete mess.

Apart from that corner, slightly later in the first half there was another corner on the other side, where Gibbs-White was COMPLETELY unmarked...luckily the delivery wasn't so good so nothing came of it. Not sure if that incident made its way to any of the "highlights" reels (I haven't plucked up the courage to watch them!)

 

[Mancgull]

Still think FH needs to be given the time to find his feet. He was chosen for his potential and having the desire to play the way our team is built for. It’s a long term project and there will be bumps along the way. People seem to forget RDZ suffered big defeats too.

It’s also a young team and although we spent a lot those fees represent young players potential rather than PL ready signings. They take time to bed in.

Not so keen on the Andy Naylor article as his conclusions seem quite knee jerk without much analysis. The Liam Tharme article is really worth reading though and looks at the way that we have changed how we play with specific stat and comparisons with other teams:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6058239/2025/01/14/brighton-most-dribbles-issue-control/ Brighton have attempted the most dribbles in Europe – that isn’t a good thing.

In essence we are playing a much higher line than before and are far more direct in attacking with players running at defences but with a low success rate. This leaves us much more vulnerable to counterattacks and transitions. Our shot quality has dropped considerably too. We also have very rarely ever had the same starting XI each week.

What an insightful article and analysis that is.