[Albion] Fab out?

[oldboyroy]

Also, wasn’t it pretty clear RDZ was going by that point?

My guess is yes. When Adam Lallana made that weird post match interview (was it after the Bournemouth game) sorry, can't remember?, and he was sticking up for the players especially the younger 1s. I wonder if he knew Roberto was off ( possibly even told Adam),citing not being backed with all the injures and that result was down to having to play with a botched up team? Lallana was close to RDZ and was always complimentary also saying he was another level in coaching.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Of course you can pick out the salient points that might want to fit a particular agenda.

So I will - there are only 4 points separating 7th and 14th. Crystal Palace have got 3 more points than teams like Man City, Chelsea and Aston Villa - using that as a comparison, are those 3 sides in trouble? Notts Forest are clearly the form side in the Premier League and that table includes their 5-0 tonking at Muff.

For the neutral, the EPL has been fantastic this year with bizarre results that nobody was expecting and the "establishment being challenged" (shame that was FH's soundbyte!)

Last 6 games we are 12th, with the same number of points as Chelsea and 1 less than Villa. That just shows the knee jerking after one bad result - granted the season can still go either way, but that's the point.

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Either way it's undoubtedly trending downwards as is most of the other data. But I'm sure TB's all over that

 

[Balders]

Does it matter? One was given resources, one wasn’t. That is the context.

I'm assuming you are referring to RDZ? If so, then yes at a high level that was the context, but if you want to dig deeper, then it's not a secret that although accepting the Club's Recruitment Strategy when he was appointed, RDZ then decided that he was bigger than the Club's Recruitment Strategy and wanted to change it! The other reason RDZ wasn't given resources is that the Club weren't going to spend money in January to keep RDZ happy, but RDZ didn't want to wait around until the Summer to be told who was being recruited.

FH was fortunate (or could have been a poisoned chalice!) as the Club took advantage of PSR restrictions this Summer, when most other clubs couldn't spend without offloading or had to offload to suit PSR requirements. As TB and PB have said, these opportunities are rare and one (with no PSR concerns and a war chest of cash) that they had to take.

That also explains loading up with wingers and forwards - they were available and valued in our ballpark (remember TB won't overpay) so we took the opportunity. Whether there were defenders that were either available but were over valued or just not available, possibly explains this stance.

 

[Flounce]

My guess is yes. When Adam Lallana made that weird post match interview (was it after the Bournemouth game) sorry, can't remember?, and he was sticking up for the players especially the younger 1s. I wonder if he knew Roberto was off ( possibly even told Adam),citing not being backed with all the injures and that result was down to having to play with a botched up team? Lallana was close to RDZ and was always complimentary also saying he was another level in coaching.

RDZ turned into a sulky and divisive quitting dick in the last few months of the season. I struggle to understand why he still has so many disciples on here, he was poison to the club by the time TB correctly decided that he should be SACKED

 

[Balders]

Either way it's undoubtedly trending downwards as is most of the other data. But I'm sure TB's all over that

Take out the last 5 games and look at the form table between matchweeks 10 and 19 and we are still 14th. Granted it's trending downwards over the whole season, but not really trending downwards to any alarming extent..

 

[Insel affe]

My guess is yes. When Adam Lallana made that weird post match interview (was it after the Bournemouth game) sorry, can't remember?, and he was sticking up for the players especially the younger 1s. I wonder if he knew Roberto was off ( possibly even told Adam),citing not being backed with all the injures and that result was down to having to play with a botched up team? Lallana was close to RDZ and was always complimentary also saying he was another level in coaching.

Yep, nailed on he did, in a very very animated way no doubt.....

I am pretty sure around then he went to Italy for a tooth job and one of his minions took over for a game on a Saturday, he was probably meeting some one from another club on route....
Possibly

 

[Home and Away]

Uncle Tony is not daft... I'm sure he's already weighing options depending on form or league position vs. money spent, etc. There must be a predetermined threshold that he has set for change needing to happen. I'm quite certain that he never makes rash decisions just based on gut feeling or fan sentiment (which seems extremely low atm.).

 

[Mr Banana]

Regardless of whether people think Fab is the right man for the job, surely the best outcome for everyone is we win on Saturday and go on a good run and he comes good? So get to the Amex, make your voices heard, let's get a cup run going and see if our league form can pick up.
Remember all of the Fab Out lot (and again I'm by no means convinced) there is absolutely no guarantee that a change in manager will change things for the better - every single appointment is a gamble - so whilst he's here let's actually do some supporting.

Agree, but could see us going on another run of draws in this rudderless inertia we seem to be stuck in - and a more gradual end to the experiment might take longer to fix.

 

[US Seagull]

Poor at set plays with the wrong players on the wrong men and lack of aggression.

Lack of aggression on set plays? Did you miss the brutal takedown Lamptey did on that poor Forest lad for the penalty? And they let kids watch this stuff?

 

[Deadly Danson]

Agree, but could see us going on another run of draws in this rudderless inertia we seem to be stuck in - and a more gradual end to the experiment might take longer to fix.

Or we could go on a run of wins and we won't need to end the experiment. No one knows so let's do our part and see what happens.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I'm assuming you are referring to RDZ? If so, then yes at a high level that was the context, but if you want to dig deeper, then it's not a secret that although accepting the Club's Recruitment Strategy when he was appointed, RDZ then decided that he was bigger than the Club's Recruitment Strategy and wanted to change it! The other reason RDZ wasn't given resources is that the Club weren't going to spend money in January to keep RDZ happy, but RDZ didn't want to wait around until the Summer to be told who was being recruited.

FH was fortunate (or could have been a poisoned chalice!) as the Club took advantage of PSR restrictions this Summer, when most other clubs couldn't spend without offloading or had to offload to suit PSR requirements. As TB and PB have said, these opportunities are rare and one (with no PSR concerns and a war chest of cash) that they had to take.

That also explains loading up with wingers and forwards - they were available and valued in our ballpark (remember TB won't overpay) so we took the opportunity. Whether there were defenders that were either available but were over valued or just not available, possibly explains this stance.

With all due respect, this is all hearsay. I get that you want to support the current manager despite the job he’s doing, but there’s no basis around anything you’ve said other than rumour.

The only parts you backed up with any fact are that FHs been given a very sizable transfer war chest and an incredible amount of talent that RDZ was never given.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Regardless of whether people think Fab is the right man for the job, surely the best outcome for everyone is we win on Saturday and go on a good run and he comes good? So get to the Amex, make your voices heard, let's get a cup run going and see if our league form can pick up.
Remember all of the Fab Out lot (and again I'm by no means convinced) there is absolutely no guarantee that a change in manager will change things for the better - every single appointment is a gamble - so whilst he's here let's actually do some supporting.

Yep. The "prize" for being right about this is us out of the cup, dropping down the league and a need to recruit a new coach, who will probably also be a gamble (they all pretty much are TBF). If Fab turns it around then we win some games, go on a cup run and who knows. Far preferable to getting a call on an NSC poll correct. Do I think he can do it? Not at the moment. Do I want him to do it? Absolutely.

 

[JBizzle]

With all due respect, this is all hearsay. I get that you want to support the current manager despite the job he’s doing, but there’s no basis around anything you’ve said other than rumour.

Most of the anti-Fab stuff on here (barring results) is based on rumours. We can only base our support on the results we're seeing, and we're 10th with 34 points. This time last season we were 9th with 35 points and we only won 3 times from there until the end of the season we'll see how it goes from here on in

 

[oldboyroy]

Yep. The "prize" for being right about this is us out of the cup, dropping down the league and a need to recruit a new coach, who will probably also be a gamble (they all pretty much are TBF). If Fab turns it around then we win some games, go on a cup run and who knows. Far preferable to getting a call on an NSC poll correct. Do I think he can do it? Not at the moment. Do I want him to do it? Absolutely.

Think this hits nail on head for me. The season is still very much alive especially as apart from Liverpool, the other 'established' big boys have very little consistency. A cup win and couple of league wins and we're back in the mix(even without a cup win). Hope Fab gets a good reaction and we'll look back at the Forest as a turning point.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Most of the anti-Fab stuff on here (barring results) is based on rumours. We can only base our support on the results we're seeing, and we're 10th with 34 points. This time last season we were 9th with 35 points and we only won 3 times from there until the end of the season we'll see how it goes from here on in

Most of the anti-Fab stuff on here is based on watching what he does with the team.

 

[The Fits]

Regardless of whether people think Fab is the right man for the job, surely the best outcome for everyone is we win on Saturday and go on a good run and he comes good? So get to the Amex, make your voices heard, let's get a cup run going and see if our league form can pick up.
Remember all of the Fab Out lot (and again I'm by no means convinced) there is absolutely no guarantee that a change in manager will change things for the better - every single appointment is a gamble - so whilst he's here let's actually do some supporting.

Most of the anti-Fab stuff on here (barring results) is based on rumours. We can only base our support on the results we're seeing, and we're 10th with 34 points. This time last season we were 9th with 35 points and we only won 3 times from there until the end of the season we'll see how it goes from here on in

This season I’m not massively concerned about results but I’d absolutely love us to win every game.
For me being result focussed with a new manager isn’t entirely helpful. If we were punching above our weight it would be foolish to want the manager out, even if you didn’t think he had much of a clue. You couldn’t argue with the results on the pitch.
But, when we are about par for the course, individual results are nowhere near as tangiable as performances.
Win, draw or lose our next five games, in the long run that means very little. What actually matters is has this manager shown he is actually learning? Is he showing any signs of instilling good habits in the players? Do the players look motivated and organised? Is there a recognisable shape and structure to our performances? Is there any control? Are we moving forwards, standing still or going backwards?
Because these are the things that really matter over a whole season, will realy matter next season, and the difference between finishing approx 7th vs 14th. Otherwise we just accept mid table and I think any manager could achieve that with this squad.
Not asking for miracles. Just genuine signs that the manager has the ability to push us on over the next few years.

 

[Balders]

With all due respect, this is all hearsay. I get that you want to support the current manager despite the job he’s doing, but there’s no basis around anything you’ve said other than rumour.

The only parts you backed up with any fact are that FHs been given a very sizable transfer war chest and an incredible amount of talent that RDZ was never given.

With all due respect, this is all hearsay. I get that you want to support the current manager despite the job he’s doing, but there’s no basis around anything you’ve said other than rumour.

The only parts you backed up with any fact are that FHs been given a very sizable transfer war chest and an incredible amount of talent that RDZ was never given.

Have we reached the "with all due respect" stage?

I've been trying to find the video/podcast where PB mentioned it, but the best I can come up with is a recent podcast with Sky Sports "Boardroom" (how those two got a Sky Sports gig, I'll never know)



Have a listen from 12:30 to 13:10 and again from 43:45 to 44:30

I and probably others, appreciate PB's transparency - as fans we can either understand and accept the ethos/strategy of the Club or as fans we can fight against it. One of those options ends in despair and frustration and the other means we ride the ups and downs with an understanding of how it is trying to be achieved and why.

It's an interesting listen, if you can stomach the 55 mins - I suspect if would frustrate the living daylights out of you.

Here's another 3 mins of the same podcast - I think you should compare your own expectations to those of TB/PB and the Club

Boardroom podcast | Brighton's CEO Paul Barber highlights the tough journey of gaining promotion to the Premier League and the ongoing struggle to maintain that status

On The Boardroom podcast, Brightons CEO Paul Barber highlights the tough journey of gaining promotion to the Premier League and the ongoing struggle to maintain that status.

www.skysports.com

 

[Flounce]

This season I’m not massively concerned about results but I’d absolutely love us to win every game.
For me being result focussed with a new manager isn’t entirely helpful. If we were punching above our weight it would be foolish to want the manager out, even if you didn’t think he had much of a clue. You couldn’t argue with the results on the pitch.
But, when we are about par for the course, individual results are nowhere near as tangiable as performances.
Win, draw or lose our next five games, in the long run that means very little. What actually matters is has this manager shown he is actually learning? Is he showing any signs of instilling good habits in the players? Do the players look motivated and organised? Is there a recognisable shape and structure to our performances? Is there any control? Are we moving forwards, standing still or going backwards?
Because these are the things that really matter over a whole season, will realy matter next season, and the difference between finishing approx 7th vs 14th. Otherwise we just accept mid table and I think any manager could achieve that with this squad.
Not asking for miracles. Just genuine signs that the manager has the ability to push us on over the next few years.

If I had a clue what Plan A was, I could live with no Plan B

I can take losing or drawing but I genuinely have no idea what the much vaunted process is, other than pre and post match “guff”

 

[chaileyjem]

FHs been given a very sizable transfer war chest and an incredible amount of talent that RDZ was never given.

Really ?

RDZ had Pedro, Verbruggen, Baleba, Igor, Ansu Fati, Dahoud, Milner , Adingra , Barco - to work with in the 23/24 season. Ansu Fati broke the bank and some of these were at RDZ request (Igor, Dahoud)
And Enciso, Estupinan, Gilmour, Buonanotte , Mitoma, Ayari, Colwill and effectively Ferguson as new players to work with in that 22/23 season (he joined in Sept).
ANd he of course did a lot with them but tough to deny that he didn't have a) incredible amount of (new) talent to work with b) a sizeable transfer chest.
Now should he have been given even more and should the Jan Transfer Window in 2024 have given him more than Barco given the injuries . But you can only buy the players that were available (eg: Dewsbury Hall /Leicester turned us down) . And we know that RDZ definitely wanted recruitment to go in a different direction. Maybe in hindsight - but its a myth that he wasn't backed. he was backed big time.

 

[RandyWanger]

If you look at the tracker, things don't look too bad.