[Albion] Fab and Welbeck Fallout?

[Han Solo]

I'm happy to recount the Solly March tale, as best I can remember it.

After the victory over Ajax in Amsterdam, I was in a bar with @Papa Lazarou and another mate when we got chatting to another Albion fan I didn't know.

He told us there was serious concern inside the club that the nature of Solly's injury, compounded on top of his previous injury, could make it career-ending.

He was a random bloke, so that information potentially had no merit at all. However, other things he said about other Albion matters - and I'm not being coy, I genuinely can't remember what they were now - I knew to be true from my connections at the club. They weren't things that were in the public domain, and would only be known to those who did have a good connection at the club.

So, the other information he shared with me. meant I gave more merit to the concern about Solly.

I have a small group of people I trust inside information with - they've earned the trust by not blabbing their mouths off - so I know I can share juicy tidbits with, and know it won't go any further and come back to burn me on the arse.

This includes the current moderating team on here, so I shared the concern about Solly with them shortly after that Ajax game.

I'm not going to spend my time searching back to see the precise wording I used about Solly's injury with @Guinness Boy and others, but without asking, I'm guessing what he may have said about Solly's injury came from me. However, by the summer - which is what you seem to be referencing - progress had been made. I can't remember who told me what, but it's possible I had positive news I'd not got round to sharing.

So, that's the Solly March injury story.

Recently, I knew about Joel Veltman's injury ahead of the team being publicised for the first game he was absent. I didn't share that publically as the club don't want to give the opposition any team information they could look to exploit but, again, I did tell a select small group. Actually, if you look at everywhere I write about Albion things, there was a very big clue there, but you'd only know that with the benefit of hindsight.

People get told things by people at the club or their close connections all the time. They really do.

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

if the details I’ve heard about his op and recovery process are true he’s basically 50/50, and I’ve no reason to doubt the person who told me.

and some five minutes later you posted this

There was a fair bit of conjecture after Solly's injury that ti could be a career-ender for him, due to the specifics of the injury and scar tissue from previous injuries.

I was told just a couple of days ago that his recovery is going really well. He may not make the beginning of the season, but is on track to return.

One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

 

[American Seagle]

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

and some five minutes later you posted this


One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

Come on we all know GB likes to be a bit of an angry troll. Don't give him attention.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm happy to recount the Solly March tale, as best I can remember it.

After the victory over Ajax in Amsterdam, I was in a bar with @Papa Lazarou and another mate when we got chatting to another Albion fan I didn't know.

He told us there was serious concern inside the club that the nature of Solly's injury, compounded on top of his previous injury, could make it career-ending.

He was a random bloke, so that information potentially had no merit at all. However, other things he said about other Albion matters - and I'm not being coy, I genuinely can't remember what they were now - I knew to be true from my connections at the club. They weren't things that were in the public domain, and would only be known to those who did have a good connection at the club.

So, the other information he shared with me. meant I gave more merit to the concern about Solly.

I have a small group of people I trust inside information with - they've earned the trust by not blabbing their mouths off - so I know I can share juicy tidbits with, and know it won't go any further and come back to burn me on the arse.

This includes the current moderating team on here, so I shared the concern about Solly with them shortly after that Ajax game.

I'm not going to spend my time searching back to see the precise wording I used about Solly's injury with @Guinness Boy and others, but without asking, I'm guessing what he may have said about Solly's injury came from me. However, by the summer - which is what you seem to be referencing - progress had been made. I can't remember who told me what, but it's possible I had positive news I'd not got round to sharing.

So, that's the Solly March injury story.

Recently, I knew about Joel Veltman's injury ahead of the team being publicised for the first game he was absent. I didn't share that publically as the club don't want to give the opposition any team information they could look to exploit but, again, I did tell a select small group. Actually, if you look at everywhere I write about Albion things, there was a very big clue there, but you'd only know that with the benefit of hindsight.

People get told things by people at the club or their close connections all the time. They really do.

No it didn’t come from you. We were drinking with a friend of the March family before Newcastle away last season. He gave quite precise details about the rehab which, at that stage, was in a difficult part of the process.

 

[The Optimist]

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

and some five minutes later you posted this


One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

Surely you have a bit of a bullshit filter though. Bozza and the mods are unlikely to go around posting complete crap otherwise the club would be having stern words with them.

I understand the Solly stuff was contradictory but it sounds like it was some out of date info versus come current info.

With Connolly it was the sheer quantity of sources that seemed to make the stories of his drinking very likely to be true. A bit like how it was well known that Duffy was a big drinker even before more concrete evidence hit social media and the media

I’ve been in the know precisely once. I knew we had signed Ryan Harley about a day before it was announced.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I'm happy to recount the Solly March tale, as best I can remember it.

After the victory over Ajax in Amsterdam, I was in a bar with @Papa Lazarou and another mate when we got chatting to another Albion fan I didn't know.

He told us there was serious concern inside the club that the nature of Solly's injury, compounded on top of his previous injury, could make it career-ending.

He was a random bloke, so that information potentially had no merit at all. However, other things he said about other Albion matters - and I'm not being coy, I genuinely can't remember what they were now - I knew to be true from my connections at the club. They weren't things that were in the public domain, and would only be known to those who did have a good connection at the club.

So, the other information he shared with me. meant I gave more merit to the concern about Solly.

I have a small group of people I trust inside information with - they've earned the trust by not blabbing their mouths off - so I know I can share juicy tidbits with, and know it won't go any further and come back to burn me on the arse.

This includes the current moderating team on here, so I shared the concern about Solly with them shortly after that Ajax game.

I'm not going to spend my time searching back to see the precise wording I used about Solly's injury with @Guinness Boy and others, but without asking, I'm guessing what he may have said about Solly's injury came from me. However, by the summer - which is what you seem to be referencing - progress had been made. I can't remember who told me what, but it's possible I had positive news I'd not got round to sharing.

So, that's the Solly March injury story.

Recently, I knew about Joel Veltman's injury ahead of the team being publicised for the first game he was absent. I didn't share that publically as the club don't want to give the opposition any team information they could look to exploit but, again, I did tell a select small group. Actually, if you look at everywhere I write about Albion things, there was a very big clue there, but you'd only know that with the benefit of hindsight.

People get told things by people at the club or their close connections all the time. They really do.

Guessing you can't now trust GB not to blab his mouth off lol

 

[peterward]

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

and some five minutes later you posted this


One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

Run out of weed, and looking for some attention by trawling past posts to create narratives?

 

[darkwolf666]

Im just going off what ive been told and if anyone else has heard about it
The person who told me works at training ground with first team

Always a good idea, as a member of staff, to leak club info, if true (which I'm sure it ain't)...
https://turfmatters.co.uk/groundsmen-sacked-after-team-leak/

 

[sparkie]

The “No smoke without fire” adage was destroyed many years ago by the tabloids, probably before. People blatantly lie, Chinese Whispers pass it on.

"No smoke without fire unless it is from a smoke machine" is a more accurate phrase.

 

[junior]

You’re intentionally conflating times you were mocked, because you have very little understanding of the real world outside of your bedroom. I remember when you were under the impression that footballers don’t go out shopping in Tesco, or have mates outside of football, or that people are mates with physio assistants or canteen staff or the bus driver - and mates talk.

You’re conflating “I saw Connolly drunk and being a prick in town” - which many of us did - with outright rumour mongering about squad harmony.

I know people who know people at the club, and mates of mates who know players. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Lots of people go outside, know people (in real life), go to matches (Albion and grassroots). I’ve chatted with Rio Ferdinand several times when he’s been watching his son Lorenz play for us. One time I sat next to him for the whole game.

What don’t you understand about this? It’s like a mental block.

Oooh look at me.

 

[jcdenton08]

Oooh look at me.

Silly moo xx

 

[Clive Walker]

Off to Man U next week.

That is all

 

[dwayne]

Off to Man U next week.

That is all

Would surely have leaked if true.

 

[Deadly Danson]

So, two posters i think reckon they've heard about a falling out and 2 that he's off to Man U. Now, I'm only posting this because when I heard it after West Ham on Saturday, I thought it was a slightly brusque reply to a question of whether Welbeck would be back for Brentford - just the very last second of the interview.

Albion Unlimited - 'Our standards, the basic's were not high enough' - BBC Sounds

Albion manager Fabian Hürzeler on their 1-1 draw with West Ham. Credit: Getty

www.bbc.co.uk

For balance, this was from his pre-Brentford presser and is probably the truth of the situation:

"He played with painkillers at Leicester. We thought he would be ready for that game. He also felt ready. When you take painkillers the pain, of course, is not that bad, but if you don’t feel as though there is a process, an improving feeling inside of your body, then you have to take care of your body.

“Especially Danny. He has suffered during his career with a lot of injuries, so it’s very important that he has a good feeling when he steps on the pitch. He hasn’t had this positive feeling, this feeling of improvement. You have to find the right solution for the club and for the player. You can’t push him through this period with painkillers all the time.

“It’s also our responsibility to take care of the health of the player. That why we made another scan. We tried to listen to other experts on ankle injuries and then we will try to find the right solution for Danny.”

 

[Blue3]

I find Heinz Ketchup to be the most reliable sauce

HP for me is the only sauce

 

[Hiheidi]

Have just heard from a well-connected source who has given me previous correct ITK’s that Welbeck is wanted by Manchester United in January and reckons he’s off. Don’t shoot the messenger.

So many questions....

Earlier this month the ITK was that Welbeck was off to Man United. When did the fallout supposedly happen, before or after he decided to up and leave? Before or after his injury? Was he annoyed that Ferguson wasn't being used to replace him in whilst he was injured?

I also remember reading on here that Ferguson was unhappy with his treatment from RDZ. Did Welbeck not stick up for him then? Can't remember reading about him falling out with RDZ. Why have two managers in a row picked on Ferguson?

Why are there so many rumours about clubs that Ferguson could be loaned to (Fulham, West Ham, Leicester) that are our rivals - and with an injured or departed Welbeck and loaned out Ferguson - we'd be left with no striker.

In the situation that our rookie new manager has pissed off our only two strikers (one who is vital in the dressing room and on the pitch, and the other who has a huge price on his head), wouldn't the club step in? It's not like the Trossard situation where he was almost out of contract and we had his replacement already in place.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

and some five minutes later you posted this


One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

Perhaps then just smile to yourself, and don’t join in the ‘he said, she said’ discussion.

You don’t have to post on every thread?

I have some alleged ‘in the know’, but to be honest it was told to me in confidence so I won’t be posting it…..

Re Solly, not doubting @Bozza @Guinness Boy or whoever, but it isn’t rocket science to know a third cruciate repair is not a good thing. The fact Solly has returned says an enormous amount about his resilience.

Re OP and Welbeck, I’m not sure Welbeck if he felt strongly enough, wouldn’t have just had a ‘quiet word’ with the manager,rather than a full blown disagreement.

Edit - I also heard the Connolly thing from a different source (Sussex CCC player), who frequented similar clubs.

 

[curly69]

HP for me is the only sauce

100% nothing else comes close hp all the way......

 

[Weststander]

So, with Welbeck and Verbruggen signing for Manure this coming Thursday …

 

[Guinness Boy]

The Solly thing was that GB posted this (replying to my question on why on earth Solly wouldn't play football again):

and some five minutes later you posted this


One saying there was a 50% chance he'd never return (which very rarely happens these days; sports medicine is wild) and the other saying "is going really well" and then later both of you bashing me for not believing you're ITK... despite saying virtually opposite things. How is that supposed to logically work out?

Either way, its beyond the point (and we're all delighted Solly is indeed back).. the point is I can't trust everyone who says they're ITK here and I don't know why people repeatedly tell me I should?

YES I understand that there are people on NSC who are in contact with people from the club. Of course!
But how am I supposed to know that Clive Walker tells the truth when he wrote he was ITK about that Potter had lost the dressing room before Wolves? Or when Commander comes and says "Connollys hairdresser and the night club owner at the club he goes to told me...", or "Solly is dead/Solly will be fine"... and many more examples.

I'm not saying any of them necessarily lie but it becomes a very difficult situation when I'm supposed to believe in ALL gossip and ALL people claiming to be ITKs or people get very angry.

Like, if the OP had made a claim instead of a question and I called "probably bullshit", he could have done like others in the past and give me a lecture about how people met people at Tesco and I have no right to question anything. Its weird reasoning imho. I don't think you Brightonians demand that from each other so weird to demand it from me who haven't even been to a Tesco in my entire life.

But yeah I'll do my best to stay out of that particular debates because I don't want to blindly believe (usually) nasty alleged "ITK info" about players and managers without any sort of actual evidence, and don't want to upset those who demand I do believe in every single ITK claimant, so its a hopeless situation better avoided.

Anyway, I think we can collectively and without much further debate file this rumour as "exceptionally unlikely".

There was nothing ITK about Connolly. He was seen in local nightclubs regularly by Brighton fans and there were quite a few social media posts of him drunk with a group of friends. He subsequently admitted to alcoholism in that period and has, admirably, got treatment and turned his life around. Fair play to him.

The problem is you refuse to be wrong even when you are. The Gilmour transfer thread is full of it.

We have a young squad and a great academy so many people here will know players from the local scene. Additionally there’s another academy in Brighton run by a former Premier League manager. And some players - let’s call them Duffy and Connolly - are less discreet when they’re out than others. People here will simply know more than someone who hasn’t left Sweden in God knows how long.

What you do have is excellent knowledge of young European players, Swedish football and associated coaches and it’s knowledge no one else here has. Your tactical analysis is also good and often very interesting. If you just stayed in your lane instead of piling in to things you know nothing about then I think people, me included, would have huge respect for you and many would take you off ignore.

 

[SeagullinExile]

"No smoke without fire unless it is from a smoke machine" is a more accurate phrase.

Which technically isn’t smoke