EU stay in or get out

[Triggaaar]

Of course it's not a simple decision. It's not easy to know what's best for the UK. That's why I've fitted a row of sofas and entertainment system to my fence. No splinters for me.

 

[BigGully]

Please give me two reasons why being part of the EU is good for the UK, because from where I am sitting it just feels like a load of old bullshit.

All I keep hearing is that it will make it more difficult to go abroad. If that's all it is, its a very weak argument for staying in.

Like everyone else I want to remain trading partners, because I don't think that will change being out of it. What I don't want is this country paying billions in to a failing system without finding out what we actually get for our money.

Most people from Eastern Europe want to live and work here anyway, so what's the point of it all. We just end up paying double, because people end up using our own services and requiring benefits if they fall on bad times.

The problem is there are many that have talked up this escapade for decades, sophisticated Europeans whilst we were sneered at as little Englanders.

We have been proved right and those Europhiles have been seen to look silly whilst billions of our money has been poured down a drain.

At first they were shouting us down when the first cracks appeared and urging for more money to be thrown away, just to save face,

They seem a bit more subdued at present hoping beyond hope that things will work out, just a few extra billion should do it.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

How do you actually go about leaving? Is it as simple as just resigning? I would think that it takes more than that doesnt it? It would be like that song about checking out but not being able to leave wouldnt it?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Why has Farage got it so right?

 

[Biscuit]

How do you actually go about leaving? Is it as simple as just resigning? I would think that it takes more than that doesnt it? It would be like that song about checking out but not being able to leave wouldnt it?

I honestly don't think there is any framework for leaving, it simply wasn't addressed as an option.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why has Farage got it so right?

Love that video - clearly shows what a bunch of retards the EU really are !

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I honestly don't think there is any framework for leaving, it simply wasn't addressed as an option.

O.K cheers and following on from that; has any country ever actually said 'We want out and we are sure about that', and then had be talked down? A bit like a saturday night 'Leave it Dave, he's not worth it!' type scenario?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Love that video - clearly shows what a bunch of retards the EU really are !

What annoys me is the seriousness of the situation, and the way some of them just sit there and laugh earning over 100k a year, Farage included.

However at least Farage is telling it, how most of us are seeing it. He deserves it, some of the others don't deserve a single penny.

Problem is the people in that posh building don't want to see it, and don't want to admit that its a complete balls up at the moment. They have too much bloody power and there is not a single thing me or you or this country can probably do about it.

It does not effect them, they are nowhere near Greece and will probably retreat to their posh ski chalet in the Austrian Alps over xmas.

 

[Ernest]

Either in properly including the Euro or out not this half in , half out bollocks.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What annoys me is the seriousness of the situation, and the way some of them just sit there and laugh earning over 100k a year, Farage included.

However at least Farage is telling it, how most of us are seeing it. He deserves, some of the others don't.

Problem is the people in that posh building don't want to see it, and don't want to admit that its a complete balls up at the moment. They have too much bloody power.

It does not effect them, they are nowhere near Greece and will probably retreat to their posh ski chalet in the Austrian Alps over xmas.

Agreed. I'd like to see a pro-EU person support why Italy has to lend money to Spain at 3% when they have to borrow it at 7% ? I doubt any of them can justify it but yet continue to follow the EU plan blindly. Those of us that challenge it are considered jingoistic rather then using some economic common sense.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Agreed. I'd like to see a pro-EU person support why Italy has to lend money to Spain at 3% when they have to borrow it at 7% ? I doubt any of them can justify it but yet continue to follow the EU plan blindly. Those of us that challenge it are considered jingoistic rather then using some economic common sense.

Completely agree with what you say here. It's only a matter of time before the shit really hits the fan. Only then will these people wake up and agree it's been a complete and utter disaster, not just for Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, but everyone.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Given that a heck of a lot of our trade is with countries in the EU ..I'd say in ..least that way we have some sort of influence ..even if its Germany and France running the club

 

[BigGully]

Given that a heck of a lot of our trade is with countries in the EU ..I'd say in ..least that way we have some sort of influence ..even if its Germany and France running the club

Whats this rubbish that we cannot trade with them if we are out, I suspect the USA and China and other emerging economies do quite good business with the zone, well before it became bankrupt.

Produce competitively priced widgets and they will buy them, think of the billions upon billions of pounds we could save by not bailing out this project.

By dodging the Euro bullet it might help us become more competitive, driving growth.

Look at it as our dividend for not being in the failed Euro in the first place.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Given that a heck of a lot of our trade is with countries in the EU ..I'd say in ..least that way we have some sort of influence ..even if its Germany and France running the club

Why would we not still be able to trade with the EU ?

 

[TranmereGull]

Its gone beyond the point where serious discipline could have saved the Eurozone. Opportunities missed, chances squandered and fiscal union still being tossed around like pass the parcel in a Kabul nightclub. The UK will lose approx 30% of GDP when Europe finally implodes whether we are in or out. Once the dust settles we might come out better off than most of the continent but a unilateral decision to quit will probably only hasten the collapse and will make us many enemies.

The problem is that you, me and everyone knows what is going to happen but our leaders avoid the subject routinely lest they are blamed as UKIP subversives. When the thing unravels it will do so very fast and it will be very ugly.

 

[Knotty]

How many of us really know enough of the detailed pros and cons to make an informed and valid judgement?

Very, very few, I would guess.

My heart says 'Out' but my head has only a tiny amount of knowledge on the subject, and that would make any judgement on my part, one way or the other, totally worthless and laughable.

 

[Brovion]

How many of us really know enough of the detailed pros and cons to make an informed and valid judgement?

Very, very few, I would guess.

My heart says 'Out' but my head has only a tiny amount of knowledge on the subject, and that would make any judgement on my part, one way or the other, totally worthless and laughable.

It's a good point. It's one of the reasons I'm actually broadly opposed to referendums (referenda?) generally - quite complex issues have to be understood by the voters as well as being distilled down into a simple question. Part of me (and I stress 'part' of me!) thinks that actually these really complex decisions should be left to the people who really understand them, after all you wouldn't let someone tell a doctor how they should approach a major operation just because they've watched a few episodes of Holby City.

Being interested in politics generally I would like to think I have a 'good' grasp of the core issues, but I wouldn't call myself an expert by any means. On any subject, let alone one as complex as the EU. It's one of the reasons I can't join in with the Out! Out! Out! chants, even though emotionally I want to.

 

[Knotty]

I agree with you on referendums too!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Given that a heck of a lot of our trade is with countries in the EU ..I'd say in ..least that way we have some sort of influence ..even if its Germany and France running the club

This is the part I do not get. Would a company in say France stop buying from a company in the UK, if we pulled out of Europe. If they are trusted buyer for years and still getting a good deal, I doubt they would use this as a reason to stop suddenly trading with the company in the UK, or would it be a financial implication?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

out , tighten up the borders and a load more can go back home , makes sense to look after our own