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If we opt out there would be some serious issues on immigration etc, Santander HQ is opposite where I work and most people there are Spanish so would they just be told to go home and add to their 25% jobless total ?
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EU stay in or get out
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daveinprague
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Stay in otherwise I will encounter visa issues... who said im selfish!!!
Rather different for Turkey than it is for the UK though isn't it?
Would that not be beneficial for our employment?
Ha ha - last time I looked it wouldn't be a problem for me to go and live in say Switzerland !
Marginalised from what exactly ??
Try and change things for the better ??
At the moment they just need shed loads of our cash before they lurch to another financial crisis and then more cash from us before the collapse, of course politically it will be called a successful relaunch or something typically deceiving.
Let those rich sophisticated countries that have presided over this debacle come up with their own strategies, its likely to be very similar to anything we have to offer anyway, so leave them to it and use our monumental savings for our own economic strategies, it would give us a deserved head start, that should be our dividend for not joining.
So why stay in but no to Euro . In European eyes we are viewed second rate becuase we do not partcipate in the Euro . Also i think you would find that the other states would be more than willing to negotiate trade terms with UK . At the end of the day they areall looking out for themselves. The whole system of trying to fit individual economies into a one size fits all dosent seem to work as there are not only economic differences but cultural too .
The ONLY reason we are in the EU is to counter balance the power of France and Germany.
Personaly I would like to see us leave. But, politicaly, we cannot be seen to want to brake it up (as will have to happen if we decided leave), there would need to be a country to do that for us. Greece perhaps? Maybe one of the other PIGS?
There cannot be an EU without us. Because Germnay and France will dominate it too much and it will all end in a war to stop it.
Personaly I would like to see us leave. But, politicaly, we cannot be seen to want to brake it up (as will have to happen if we decided leave), there would need to be a country to do that for us. Greece perhaps? Maybe one of the other PIGS?
There cannot be an EU without us. Because Germnay and France will dominate it too much and it will all end in a war to stop it.
There is the flip side to that, over a million British OAPs living in France and Spain would lose there right to live abroad and we would have to be supported by us. I would rather have young EU citizens over here helping our economy than have the medical bills look after our old folks.
THe whole EU debate is massively complicated, its not a simple yes and no.
THere are somthings that are great about the EU , other not si great.
I love Europe, Ive lived and worked in Italy, France and Spain. But I am undecded about the EU, It needs massive reform, and I think it will take the fall of the Euro to provde the polictical will to do somthing about it
Tricky Dicky
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For me it's not a simple as In or Out - at least in the current form. I would like to see a "community" of some sort, with common things where it is sensible to do so, but certainly no fiscal tie-ups, the countries are too diverse for that, and no Euro.
Simple question - where does it say that we couldn't have an agreement with the EU to keep immigration rules as they are ?
If people are voting to stay in the EU purely down to easy movement around countries then we're screwed ! You might as well use the argument that we should join the Euro to get rid of exchange rate fees !
There are already serious issue regarding immigration.
This is not a big problem, I assume a simple visa system would cover your concern.
I think that may have already been done ( and moved on from ) - it was called the Common Market that the previous generations were conned into voting for despite that behind the scenes the plans were for fiscal and political union.
Can't we have a referendum and blame it on the people?
If there is, let's just be independent and let them kill each other this time. Swiss miracle here we come.
Exactly .. The original Union was for a trading partnershipand to promote welfare throughout Euriope. That has been totally lost in its current bloated form
Can't we have a referendum and blame it on the people?
Now there a thought
Strangely not a single one of the main political parties have the guts to do this. Might have something to do with knowing when they're kicked out they can easily get a job in the EU and they'd more than likely lose a referendum.
Of course Labour promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but welched on it !
If there were a referendum, I would vote! Out! Out! Out!
Not a simple as that though. In regards to foregin policy, we simple cannot allow a united Europe which we are not apart of and if it exists, at the top table. That is why we have gone to war 4 or 5 times to stop it.
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Please give me two reasons why being part of the EU is good for the UK, because from where I am sitting it just feels like a load of old bullshit.
All I keep hearing is that it will make it more difficult to go abroad. If that's all it is, its a very weak argument for staying in.
Like everyone else I want to remain trading partners, because I don't think that would change even if we where out of it. What I don't want is this country paying billions in to a failing system without finding out what we actually get for our money.
Greece has gone, Spain is in the shit, but they still persist in flushing billions down the toilet. It's not working is it, when are they going to give it up and admit the whole Euro is a complete and utter failure.
All I keep hearing is that it will make it more difficult to go abroad. If that's all it is, its a very weak argument for staying in.
Like everyone else I want to remain trading partners, because I don't think that would change even if we where out of it. What I don't want is this country paying billions in to a failing system without finding out what we actually get for our money.
Greece has gone, Spain is in the shit, but they still persist in flushing billions down the toilet. It's not working is it, when are they going to give it up and admit the whole Euro is a complete and utter failure.