Ethnic Minorities and CCTV

[HampshireSeagulls]

Are you an American? If not, your 9/11 reference is pointless.
They attacked the USA. Not Britain.

The 7/7 bombings were, according to the bombers suicide videos, a response to British troops joining American troops in Iraq.

Im not suggesting youre an idiot. Just ill informed, and being directed by propaganda.

f*** off. Seriously, you are a cvnt of the highest order. Just f*** off.

One word.

REMF.

Now f*** off you illinformed cvnt.

 

[daveinprague]

f*** off. Seriously, you are a cvnt of the highest order. Just f*** off.

One word.

REMF.

Now f*** off you illinformed cvnt.

Not a cvnt. An ex serviceman.
Im sorry if truth is getting in the way of your view, but those are facts.
British people did die, in the attack, however, the attack was against the USA because of US troops being stationed in the Islamic holy land, as has been repeated on bin ladens videos time and time again.
Because a Brighton fan, was tragically killed, doesnt make it not an attack on the USA.

 

[bhaexpress]

Are you an American? If not, your 9/11 reference is pointless.
They attacked the USA. Not Britain.

The 7/7 bombings were, according to the bombers suicide videos, a response to British troops joining American troops in Iraq.

Im not suggesting youre an idiot. Just ill informed, and being directed by propaganda.

No, you know full well I'm not an American but the point you have missed is that 9/11 was followed by 7/7 which was here. It's part of the global plan to install fundamentalist Islam so I think it's you that's ill informed. The reason why we are in Afghanistan is combat the source of Islamic terrorism however I would agree that Iraq is a very different issue and have always maintained that. However Islamic terrorists rope Iraq into the equation as part of the West's anti Islamic stance. Rather pointless given the fact that unlike Christians in many Muslim countries who are persecuted for their beliefs Muslims are allowed to practice unhindered their beliefs and in fact our society (which whether you like it or not is a Western Culture) actually makes exceptions for them. You can start with Halal meat and go from there but to attempt to complain about this barbaric and unnecessary ritual slaughter has you labeled as a racist. Tell me, who are the racists ?

 

[The Spanish]

The 7/7 bombings were, according to the bombers suicide videos, a response to British troops joining American troops in Iraq.

to be honest the last people to trust for their reasons are the 7/7 bombers. Most of their anger was due to the fact their parents moved to a foreign country for financial gain, that they had difficulty integrating in and created alienated communities and second generations. That never made the video as they didnt really know that themselves.

 

[daveinprague]

No, you know full well I'm not an American but the point you have missed is that 9/11 was followed by 7/7 which was here. It's part of the global plan to install fundamentalist Islam so I think it's you that's ill informed. The reason why we are in Afghanistan is combat the source of Islamic terrorism however I would agree that Iraq is a very different issue and have always maintained that. However Islamic terrorists rope Iraq into the equation as part of the West's anti Islamic stance. Rather pointless given the fact that unlike Christians in many Muslim countries who are persecuted for their beliefs Muslims are allowed to practice unhindered their beliefs and in fact our society (which whether you like it or not is a Western Culture) actually makes exceptions for them. You can start with Halal meat and go from there but to attempt to complain about this barbaric and unnecessary ritual slaughter has you labeled as a racist. Tell me, who are the racists ?

Halal is different from kosher?
A plan to install fundamentalist Islam? How theatrical.
The 7/7 bombers stated why they were committing suicide. If people want to interpret
what they said to something that suits an anti islamic view, fair play to them, however, i dont see
any reason to lie when youre about to blow yourself to pieces, so im going to believe what they
said in their videos.

and at the end of the day, we have been killing afghanis, civilians and taliban, pretty much daily for the last few years.

 

[somerset]

If Islamic forces were attacking British people daily, and occupying Britain, would you sit back and take it?

I would hazard an equally 'ill informed' view that the only thing stopping them doing that, because they would if they could, is the rigorous application of our security protocols which obviously the CCTV is an integral part of..... or do you think otherwise?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Not a cvnt. An ex serviceman.
Im sorry if truth is getting in the way of your view, but those are facts.
British people did die, in the attack, however, the attack was against the USA because of US troops being stationed in the Islamic holy land, as has been repeated on bin ladens videos time and time again.
Because a Brighton fan, was tragically killed, doesnt make it not an attack on the USA.

I am an ex-Serviceman as well and I am not that short sighted to realise that the attack was against Western values, not just against the Yanks. If you can't realise that then yep, it makes you an ignorant cvnt. Bin Laden's videos mention the UK on multiple occasions, the threats against the UK and the West in general were continuous. The attack was against a symbol of the West that would gain the most coverage - a financial centre. It was not just one Brighton fan, there were multiple nationalities there, multiple followers of different religions. If the attack had been anywhere other than the US then it would not have had the worldwide impact they wanted. We have always been where the US have deployed - a bomb in the UK would not have sent shockwaves through the US. A multiple delivery system attack on the US sent shockwaves through the world.

You would not have known the truth or the facts if it had come to your temporal lobe via a 5.56 envelope.

And yes, you are now irrevocably linked with being an oxygen thief and a general waste of rations.

 

[daveinprague]

I would hazard an equally 'ill informed' view that the only thing stopping them doing that, because they would if they could, is the rigorous application of our security protocols which obviously the CCTV is an integral part of..... or do you think otherwise?

So, I saw them on cctv...it was on the news. How did it help exactly?

 

[Little Piggy]

I just find people that make sweeping statements without any suggestion of proof to be idiots, congratulations you're officially an idiot.

The idea of protecting yourself against something unknown that coud be used against you is a good idea, regardless of proof that it will definitely happen. I wouldn't give you my credit card details, even though I guess you probably wouldn't use them. I don't think I am being overly paranoid by suggesting I am at risk of malpractice.

Similarly, I don't believe those who collect information on my whereabouts and watch me going about my life using CCTV are either compentent or trustworthy to hold the power they do, especially when they can't really justify a positive side to it either. The best example I can think of where this seems to happen a lot is the abuse of anti-terror powers:

Photographers criminalised as police 'abuse' anti-terror laws - Local & National, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

The link above was the first link I found in Google. Its quite clear that the above was not what the power was intended for. I am sure that there were many who were branded idiots for suggesting this could happen when these powers were introduced, and yet here we are.

 

[The Spanish]

I would hazard an equally 'ill informed' view that the only thing stopping them doing that, because they would if they could, is the rigorous application of our security protocols which obviously the CCTV is an integral part of..... or do you think otherwise?

i take it you have not been following the 7/7 inquiry and the hours and hours of cctv footage of them. unless a cctv camera can also fire bullets in itself its not going to stops some psychotic alienated idiot from leeds who hates England.

 

[daveinprague]

I am an ex-Serviceman as well and I am not that short sighted to realise that the attack was against Western values, not just against the Yanks. If you can't realise that then yep, it makes you an ignorant cvnt. .

As i said before. Bin Laden has repeatedly...repeatedly, stated that the attack on 9/11 was because of American troops on Islamic holy land soil. The only person who said it was against American values was the idiot who was president at the time.
Britain is now mentioned of course, as they have joined the Americans in the ridiculous war in Iraq, and Americas war in Afghanistan.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Halal is different from kosher?
A plan to install fundamentalist Islam? How theatrical.
The 7/7 bombers stated why they were committing suicide. If people want to interpret
what they said to something that suits an anti islamic view, fair play to them, however, i dont see
any reason to lie when youre about to blow yourself to pieces, so im going to believe what they
said in their videos.

and at the end of the day, we have been killing afghanis, civilians and taliban, pretty much daily for the last few years.

Their stated objective is to have a single religion world. Not to protect themselves but to actively seek to replace governments with an Islamic way of life. Even in this country it has been stated that the fundamentalists want the flag of Islam flying over 10 Downing Street.

We spent a few years killing other people as well - they don't all choose to fly planes into towers, do they?

 

[bhaexpress]

Halal is different from kosher?
A plan to install fundamentalist Islam? How theatrical.
The 7/7 bombers stated why they were committing suicide. If people want to interpret
what they said to something that suits an anti islamic view, fair play to them, however, i dont see
any reason to lie when youre about to blow yourself to pieces, so im going to believe what they
said in their videos.

and at the end of the day, we have been killing afghanis, civilians and taliban, pretty much daily for the last few years.

First of all, I said start with Halal meat, does it not bother you that people are actually not allowed to say Christmas ? Perish the thought that we not allow people to say Ramadan. So you tell me then why are these fundamentalists so intent on attacking us ? Was 7/7 a protest abut the high cost of public transport ? Why also do hey feel the need to kill themselves in pursuit of their beliefs ? Is is see Allah and die or something. Granted it's their Allah given right to commit suicide but it is not their right to kill non believers is it ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

...does it not bother you that people are actually not allowed to say Christmas ?

Who is not allowed to say C******as?

I know it was banned by Oliver Cromwell for a while, but must have missed the latest banning.

 

[daveinprague]

First of all, I said start with Halal meat, does it not bother you that people are actually not allowed to say Christmas ? Perish the thought that we not allow people to say Ramadan. So you tell me then why are these fundamentalists so intent on attacking us ? Was 7/7 a protest abut the high cost of public transport ? Why also do hey feel the need to kill themselves in pursuit of their beliefs ? Is is see Allah and die or something. Granted it's their Allah given right to commit suicide but it is not their right to kill non believers is it ?

Christmas, Christmas, Christmas...there I said it...who said you cant say Christmas? youre being ridiculous.

Feck me, i think youre possibly not ill informed, just a fecking lunatic.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

As i said before. Bin Laden has repeatedly...repeatedly, stated that the attack on 9/11 was because of American troops on Islamic holy land soil. The only person who said it was against American values was the idiot who was president at the time.

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk

Try to read this first and see where it mentions the fact that we invaded them. Try to see past the bits which mention the US Forces and look deeper into the parts where he states that our values do not match his. Our priorities are wrong because they do not match his. If you are willing to throw up quotes from videos then you should at least open your eyes and mind to the reasons that they gave for the actions they are taking - and see that it goes back far beyond American (and our) presence on Holy Land soil, and spreads far wider than that narrow area.

 

[somerset]

i take it you have not been following the 7/7 inquiry and the hours and hours of cctv footage of them. unless a cctv camera can also fire bullets in itself its not going to stops some psychotic alienated idiot from leeds who hates England.

You can 'cherry-pick' all you like, there are, have been and continue to be many many cases picked off before they reach the killing stage.... yes the odds are some get through.... we do our best.

 

[bhaexpress]

Christmas, Christmas, Christmas...there I said it...who said you cant say Christmas? youre being ridiculous.

Feck me, i think youre possibly not ill informed, just a fecking lunatic.

Yes and I know you're a thick twat. There have been Christmas celebrations cancelled in this country because they might offend minorities. Of course if you lived here you might know that . Below is something known as fact, a concept that is clearly alien to you. It's just one example of what can and has happened.

For the benefit of the misinformed

 

[bhaexpress]

i take it you have not been following the 7/7 inquiry and the hours and hours of cctv footage of them. unless a cctv camera can also fire bullets in itself its not going to stops some psychotic alienated idiot from leeds who hates England.

As has been said, it's used to help prevent crime, to aid those who are being attacked and assist in detection of crimes. It's by no means 100% foolproof but it's also a lot better than nothing.

 

[daveinprague]

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk

Try to read this first and see where it mentions the fact that we invaded them. Try to see past the bits which mention the US Forces and look deeper into the parts where he states that our values do not match his. Our priorities are wrong because they do not match his. If you are willing to throw up quotes from videos then you should at least open your eyes and mind to the reasons that they gave for the actions they are taking - and see that it goes back far beyond American (and our) presence on Holy Land soil, and spreads far wider than that narrow area.

The Americans, and the British gave the world Israel. Israel has attacked its neighbours flying American built military hardware. Thats how I see the 'invasion' ...are we, and have we continued to attack muslims? Yes. Have we throughout history? yes. Did we invade Iraq? yes. Did we invade Afghanistan? yes.
How many hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims have been killed in the last few years?
My eyes are very open. I see a muslims life as equal to a christian, jews or any other persons life. I dont think you do.

Nobody likes terrorism, its shit, but...it isnt carried out for no reason.