[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[WATFORD zero]

This is the kind of comment people use to justify their despicable actions.

You hit your wife? She was asking for it
You hit your kids? They were winding me up
You got into a fight at the football? They were taking liberties
You abused a foreigner? Well it's their own fault for not learning English
You laughed at the homeless guy begging? Well he had the same chances as I did and didn't take them

I voted for a white supremacist? Well it's because you other politicians were disconnected from me

Let's be honest, people like a folk devil and in a complicated world they like simple answers to apparently easy questions. Dont want to be bothered with complicated nuance. And given 280 characters is what passes for long form journalism at the moment it's easy to see how it works. Frost/Dixon, Thatcher / Walden, wouldn't happen these days.

And the current breed of grifters have honed this into an artform. Question is are you one of the grifters or the one being grifted?

Judging from @cunning fergus's very long history of postings and bannings on NSC, all for the same old same old, I think it just happens that the gifters with their current antagonistic marginalisation of certain groups, have simply become his coincidental bedfellows

 

[SouthSaxon]

Frost/Dixon

An investigative interrogation of the intricacies of the right back position?

Snide puns aside, agree with your take. People make themselves easily led up the garden path, but they are still the ones walking it.

 

[Triggaaar]

I have a growing sympathy for Starmer this week as the US set the conditions for another world war.

He is saying the right things and he knows that means a massive increase in defence spending in the UK that will blow a hole in his already faltering economic plans. He also needs to try and walk the tightrope between the US and EU when it comes to trade.

Ok.

And yet many seem more interested in whether Reeves had made an error in her cv in a previous job.

Was there a poll where people said they were more interested in what Reeves did? No. And Reeves didn't just make a mistake, she was deliberately exaggerating how long she'd worked for the BoE (the best part of 10 years). Obviously it's right that politicians get pulled up on things like that.

I hope the electorate and the media get behind the government and recognise that the freedoms we have are real and cannot be taken for granted. Starmer appears to get this and we, as one nation and across the political spectrum, need to support him in this.

If Starmer increases our military spending and supports Ukraine, I too hope we all get behind him.

 

[The Clamp]

Let’s be clear, pretty much anyone from a foreign shithole country, of which there are many, will better themselves in this country simply by being insitu. It is because of that outcome our leaders should ALWAYS put the interests of its citizens first, and control, who and how many can come here.

That statement may be heresy to you and your fellow travellers, however in the real world electorates are not happy with their liberal overlords.

It is precisely because of that disconnection between electorates and politicians that the likes of Trump are being voted into Government in the first place. Far from being criticised, Vance should be congratulated for pointing out the obvious to the political EU elite. If they can’t digest his candour it’s little wonder “murderous foreigners” are a political problem in Western Europe.

How many more events do you think Europe and the U.K. should take before someone does anything about it?

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[Triggaaar]

USA v Canada ice hockey fight: Three fights in first nine seconds before US go on to win

A 4 Nations game between the USA and Canada descends into chaos with three fights breaking out between players in the first nine seconds.

www.bbc.com

Canada are really messing up their hopes of becoming the 51st state.

 

[Eeyore]

Canada are really messing up their hopes of becoming the 51st state.

I wasn't sure what I was watching. The way the refs were standing around, it almost looked as though it was new version of the sport. I like the way the ref ushers the other players away. I guess it's a two play thing. First fights are one on one.

I thought it was splendid fun. I'll check to see when the next match is on Sky.

 

[Since1982]

Interesting series of take always from a prominent talking head previously* employed by our state Broadcaster. I read the whole speech this morning, what Vance referenced about the U.K. is a f*cking disgrace for what is supposedly a tolerant liberal democracy. Did Goodall pass any comment on the FACTS raised, I bet not.

Further, it was entirely coincidental, and tragically so, that there happened to be another murderous attack launched against the people of Munich the day before the speech by a you-know-who. Vance’s position in the speech may have been influenced by that however he was on the money; his full quote is below.

“How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilisation in a new direction? No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants. But you know what they did vote for? In England, they voted for Brexit. And agree or disagree, they voted for it. And more and more all over Europe, they are voting for political leaders who promise to put an end to out-of-control migration.”

It’s an irony that for all the importance of the Ukraine crisis, Europeans ACROSS the continent are not dealing with the fear of Russians, it’s not Putin’s army that will run them down or violently stab them in their own streets.

It’s the you know who’s, and the politicians in Europe don’t want to admit that FACT because to do so would recognise their collective negligence about the priority they place on the safety of their own citizenry.

Little wonder they and their fellow establishment shills in the BBC are shitting the mattress about it.

Well done Vance.

*Edited for accuracy

I think the Ukrainians being slaughtered by Russia might have something to say about your defence of Putin.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

In Trumpland it's becoming ' my way or the highway '. Another 4yrs of this nonsense

I am surprised that he hasn't renamed Washington DC as Trumpton.

 

[abc]

USA v Canada ice hockey fight: Three fights in first nine seconds before US go on to win

A 4 Nations game between the USA and Canada descends into chaos with three fights breaking out between players in the first nine seconds.

www.bbc.com

Amusing in isolation but it is an example of how Trump is creating further division, anger, and unrest around the world. Doesn’t the world have enough already without the most powerful man in the world deliberately creating more?

 

[Bodian]

Interesting series of take always from a prominent talking head previously* employed by our state Broadcaster.
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*Edited for accuracy

Lewis Goodall doesn't work for the BBC...

Nor are the BBC the "State Broadcaster".

 

[Seagull58]

Amusing in isolation but it is an example of how Trump is creating further division, anger, and unrest around the world. Doesn’t the world have enough already without the most powerful man in the world deliberately creating more?

Third most powerful, shirley? He is Musk's bitch and Putin's bitch.

 

[Eeyore]

Boring John Major is back.. with, as expected, a sensible view of world affairs...

Trump's isolation threatens global democracy, warns former PM John Major

Sir John says US policy will embolden Russia and China, with gains since the fall of the Soviet Union being reversed.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BN41Albion]

Your comment laming an entire nation is no different than the kind of hatred Trump pushes. Broad-brush vilification of an entire people, based on the actions of certain politicians or extremists, is exactly the tactic he and others use to divide and inflame.

If we’re going to talk about countries that have inflicted harm on the world, Britain has done more damage than most. The British Empire colonized a quarter of the planet, shaped economies, governments, and borders in ways that still cause conflict today, and left behind a legacy of exploitation and division that nations are still dealing with.

I completely agree - hence why I said at times I find it hard at the moment not to start thinking that, despite knowing there are millions of great Americans. Also very aware of our own disgraceful history in terms of the Empire!

But as with the incidents in NHL and NBL between Canadian teams and US teams over the last few weeks, its clear that Canadians are feeling the same way in terms of just being angry at the whole situation and finding it tough to differentiate between Trump and Maga and their cult followers, and decent Americans

Edit: to add, I'm also very aware there'll be a sizeable percentage of American voters who voted for trump because they feel ignored/marginalised by mainstream parties and dont see their lives improving in any way, which is also happening across Europe in terms of populism/far right rising.

 

[Triggaaar]

Also very aware of our own disgraceful history in terms of the Empire!

Was our history not indicative of the time? Which global empires were innoxious?

 

[BadFish]

Judging from @cunning fergus's very long history of postings and bannings on NSC, all for the same old same old, I think it just happens that the gifters with their current antagonistic marginalisation of certain groups, have simply become his coincidental bedfellows

Indeed, its hard to blame being 'disconnected' for his views.

Connected and Grifted.

 

[BN41Albion]

Was our history not indicative of the time? Which global empires were innoxious?

Very indicative of the time, and all empires acted the same sadly. No less disgraceful, but the same goes for the Spanish, French, Dutch etc.

 

[Triggaaar]

Very indicative of the time, and all empires acted the same sadly. No less disgraceful, but the same goes for the Spanish, French, Dutch etc.

I agree, so I don't find our history disgraceful. I think Britain did more good than most.

 

[armchairclubber]

Precisely. Trump's US cannot be trusted all the time he is in power. His arrogance and stupidity over Gaza alone is a perfect example of why we need to withdraw and end agreements with a partner who will sell us down the river.

I'm happy to start the process of winding down having US bases on British soil too. Not sure if these have been permanently " Gifted " to the US or there are lease agreements in place? Either way we need to start the process of getting rid.

"If you are not with us, you are against us "

Agree with your sentiment.

Seeing as Netenyahu and Israel appear to be working together and in total agreement with Trumps dreams for Gaza, perhaps even leading the way on them, do you think it's also time for UK to review its relationship and agreements with that nation?

 

[marlowe]

It seems that Trump is now likening himself to Napoleon. He borrowed one of Bony's quotes for one of his Truth Social posts...

“He who saves his country does not violate any laws”.

Trump probably hoped people would think he'd thought it up himself, but anything with any hint of eloquence immediately eliminates that likelihood with Trump, so it wasn't long before the original source was discovered.

It's extremely unlikely that Trump learned of the quote by reading any history book so probably came across it by watching the 1970 movie Waterloo starring Rod Steiger as Napoleon. However the film's over two hours running time was probably a bit of a challenge for Trump's limited attention span so he probably didn't get to watch the end to discover that Naploeon came out the loser.

Let's hope its not too long before Trump meets his own Waterloo...

Trivia: The movie was part funded by the Soviets and the battle scenes were shot in Ukraine, which now has a certain irony, and featured nearly 17,000 soldiers of the Soviet Army, including a full brigade of Soviet cavalry.

Trump under fire for likening himself to Napoleon amid attacks on judges

President posted ‘he who saves his country does not violate any laws’ quote attributed to French emperor

www.theguardian.com

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I agree, so I don't find our history disgraceful. I think Britain did more good than most.

I wish that was true, sadly it isn’t.