[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Seagull58]

Name me one Democrat smarter than the dimwits in charge. There isn’t one…

The issue is that they are fascist lunatics, not that they are dimwits.

 

[A1X]

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

European leaders set to hold emergency summit on Ukraine

The UK PM, who is expected to attend, said it was a "once in a generation moment for our national security".

www.bbc.com

Interesting move. I really hope Europe starts to marginalize the US.

 

[Eeyore]

This.

Half my family are American AND active Democrats.

This kind of tarring of a whole nation of people is limited thinking at best and a little offensive to those of us who‘s relatives straddle both sides of the Pond.

I pulled up someone last week for saying the same about Jews and another for presuming all Palestinians are terrorists.

One of the unfortunate polarising effects of political dialogue that uses social media as a source of information and opinion.

Look for the nuances and eliminate the stereotypical thinking otherwise we feed the narratives of intolerance and hatred - elements that populist extremism thrives on.

I see @spence gave you a laughing emoji whilst Gary was on a break. Maybe they are sharing the same PC ?

 

[Seagull58]

European leaders set to hold emergency summit on Ukraine

The UK PM, who is expected to attend, said it was a "once in a generation moment for our national security".

www.bbc.com

Interesting move. I really hope Europe starts to marginalize the US.

That's what Europe must do; Isolate the US completely and respond with massive trade tariffs if the Diaper Don imposes them on Europe.
Europe must work with Ukraine to ensure the US doesn't get its hands on Ukraine's rare earth metals. You have to be strong against a bully.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's what Europe must do; Isolate the US completely and respond with massive trade tariffs if the Diaper Don imposes them on Europe.
Europe must work with Ukraine to ensure the US doesn't get its hands on Ukraine's rare earth metals. You have to be strong against a bully.

Totally agree.

 

[Zeberdi]

I see @spence gave you a laughing emoji whilst Gary was on a break. Maybe they are sharing the same PC ?

He doesn’t realise I am autistic so I when I get laughing emoji’s I just think I‘ve said something really witty and clever - you know, like the person in a social group that makes everyone roar with laughter with their brilliant wit and hilarious anecdotes - I always wanted to be that person.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

He doesn’t realise I am autistic so I when I get laughing emoji’s I just think I‘ve said something really witty and clever - you know, like the person in a social group that makes everyone roar with laughter with their brilliant wit and hilarious anecdotes - I always wanted to be that person.

Whilst I enjoy this role, it does come with a lot of pressure. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Eeyore]

He doesn’t realise I am autistic so I when I get laughing emoji’s I just think I‘ve said something really witty and clever - you know, like the person in a social group that makes everyone roar with laughter with their brilliant wit and hilarious anecdotes - I always wanted to be that person.

You'll be thinking you're the funniest comedian on the planet soon then if he keeps his normal interactions on the thread up. I think he has about 50 laughing emojis to ten posts so far. Such intelligent content he is giving to this discussion.

 

[Triggaaar]

Whilst I enjoy this role, it does come with a lot of pressure. Be careful what you wish for.

I feel cruel, but it's better you know now. They're not laughing with you.

 

[US Seagull]

This is the thing. I don't like to see people suffering. And the left's instinct will be to try to save these things or at least lessen the blow. But doing that is why these dipshits keep voting for Republicans. Because they think it's not so bad. And they give the Republicans credit.

But we kinda just gotta let them learn the hard way now. And it sucks. Because a lot of people who weren't stupid enough to vote for him will suffer too.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I feel cruel, but it's better you know now. They're not laughing with you.

Not even my puns?

 

[Albion my Albion]

Because a lot of people who weren't stupid enough to vote for him will suffer too.

You got that right, but not far right.

 

[Eeyore]

Oops

US goverment seeks to rehire recently fired nuclear workers

It is having problems contacting people who were fired in Trump's blitz to shrink the federal workforce.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Albion my Albion]

Oops

US goverment seeks to rehire recently fired nuclear workers

It is having problems contacting people who were fired in Trump's blitz to shrink the federal workforce.

www.bbc.co.uk

More than 60 lawsuits have been filed against the Trump administration since the president was inaugurated on 20 January.

I don't believe Trump will be putting any lawyers out of work. Maybe not paying them but keeping them employed he will do.

 

[bhafc99]

Bring back David Owen.

To be fair, he kind of did look like a vampire who’d risen from the dead in the first place….

 

[cunning fergus]

Interesting series of take always from a prominent talking head previously* employed by our state Broadcaster. I read the whole speech this morning, what Vance referenced about the U.K. is a f*cking disgrace for what is supposedly a tolerant liberal democracy. Did Goodall pass any comment on the FACTS raised, I bet not.

Further, it was entirely coincidental, and tragically so, that there happened to be another murderous attack launched against the people of Munich the day before the speech by a you-know-who. Vance’s position in the speech may have been influenced by that however he was on the money; his full quote is below.

“How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilisation in a new direction? No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants. But you know what they did vote for? In England, they voted for Brexit. And agree or disagree, they voted for it. And more and more all over Europe, they are voting for political leaders who promise to put an end to out-of-control migration.”

It’s an irony that for all the importance of the Ukraine crisis, Europeans ACROSS the continent are not dealing with the fear of Russians, it’s not Putin’s army that will run them down or violently stab them in their own streets.

It’s the you know who’s, and the politicians in Europe don’t want to admit that FACT because to do so would recognise their collective negligence about the priority they place on the safety of their own citizenry.

Little wonder they and their fellow establishment shills in the BBC are shitting the mattress about it.

Well done Vance.

*Edited for accuracy

 

[McTavish]

Interesting series of take always from a prominent talking head employed by our state Broadcaster.

Little wonder they and their fellow establishment shills in the BBC are shitting the mattress about it.

Well done Vance.

Lewis Goodall doesn't work for the BBC...

 

[cunning fergus]

But this is the Trump thread not the Labour meltdown thread and you are comparing apples and oranges, 2 entirely different cultures, systems of government and constitution so the comparison merely serves to demonstrate ‘whataboutery’ rather than invoking a serious comparative analysis.

Agree ‘democracy’ works better here but again, two entirely different electoral systems, constitutions and representative Government. Also Trump is not a ‘democratic’ leader, he is and autocrat and plutocrat.


I don’t know how we got to a security crisis in the West where governments are required to spend 5% of their GDP on defence - it’s the arms race and cold war revisited and my feeling is that is partly Trump’s history of appeasing both Putin and President Xi and partly where Trumpism is heading. Trump undermining NATO, undermining the UN and undermining the ICC - in fact undermining global institutions in a wide number of areas and pursuing such an isolationist policy agenda that it is adding to the security vulnerabilities in the West.

The US has for decades played the policeman of the world, pursued what Russia, China and the ME regard as ‘imperialistic’ agendas, helped expand the sphere of NATO alliances and dominated global world fora. Trump’s executive orders, one after the other are reversing key international relationships and policies that have been in place since the mid 1940s.

His isolationism and deconstructionism is both reckless and destructive imo.

Well, and to put it very simply, if the US taxpayer wants to underwrite the costs for the US to be the global policeman then you have a valid point.

However, when they democratically elect someone who doesn’t or at least not in the historical sense of what that role may have meant then you have change.

Trump is no more guilty of undermining NATO than its members who have been happy to outsource their security to a third party. It is an undeniable fact that the US is NATO, however as we can see with the U.K., we have moved from a premier league status to say QPR.

Governments in Western Europe have been negligent in preparing for this eventuality, and they were warned in the first term. Trump is merely serving his electorate what they want……..when will our own politicians do that for us.

 

[cunning fergus]

Lewis Goodall doesn't work for the BBC...

I stand corrected said the man with the orthopaedic shoe; I note he left his role there as political policy editor to work with John Sopel and Emily Maitlis.

Definitely not anything to do with the BBC these days………got it.