Do you trust the police

[British Bulldog]

When you phone next time.I bet you they don't bother coming out for a day or two and only then to give you a crime number.Waste of time

When my son got attacked it took them a week to turn up, He felt very let down by the police and I wish I had'nt listened to the so called sensible advice I was given by involving them. I should've followed my instincts and taken the law into my own hands because at least justice would have been done.

 

[Starry]

Based on personal experience, I'd trust a chocolate fire guard more than I would that bunch of schmucks.

 

[algie]

They are in the front line and there to be shot at. Are you willing to put yourself in that position. I dare say not.

Give over you talk shite

 

[army ali]

what do you suggest then?

Obviously you would still call them if your a victim etc but i just don't have faith in them.To answer your question i would reinstall National service for a start.I also believe they are should carry guns.So many times i hear people who have phoned them and yet they can't be arsed to come out.They normally get out of it with the same old excuse,they are attending a serious matter.

Woh, lets stop this National service bollocks.

To have a bunch of 18 yr olds join the services because they have to will seriously undermine our ability as an effective and professional fighting force.

NO NATIONAL SERVICE.

 

[Buzzer]

what do you suggest then?

Obviously you would still call them if your a victim etc but i just don't have faith in them.To answer your question i would reinstall National service for a start.I also believe they should carry guns.So many times i hear people who have phoned them and yet they can't be arsed to come out.They normally get out of it with the same old excuse,they are attending a serious matter.

Seriously - I don't know what the answer is.

Yes to National Service for all those who are 16-25 and unemployed for more than a year. Voluntary work for all long-term and able-bodied unemployed.

More visible punishments. Asbo-holders being made to wear pink outfits and clean chewing gum off pavements on saturdays.

A change in culture where we start respecting other people's privacy. A culture that recognises that we all have responsibilities as well as our rights. In fact a new bill of Human Responsibilities that runs parallel and is as powerful as the Human Rights Act.

Not sure about guns.

Pubs and clubs made to contribute towards policing of town centres at weekends.

Less emphasis on penalising motorists and other soft targets.

Legalising and licensing of most class A/B/C drugs and prostitution with proceeds going towards policing this.

Just some thoughts.

 

[rospants]

if you cant trust the police who can you trust

 

[army ali]

They are in the front line and there to be shot at. Are you willing to put yourself in that position. I dare say not.

Give over you talk shite

Well, would you and do you?

Isn't shite a northern word?

 

[H block]

what do you suggest then?

Obviously you would still call them if your a victim etc but i just don't have faith in them.To answer your question i would reinstall National service for a start.I also believe they should carry guns.So many times i hear people who have phoned them and yet they can't be arsed to come out.They normally get out of it with the same old excuse,they are attending a serious matter.

You don`t have any faith in them but you want them to carry guns

Come on Algie

I trust you are not South American and thinking of doing an electrical course.

 

[army ali]

Seriously - I don't know what the answer is.


More visible punishments. Asbo-holders being made to wear pink outfits and clean chewing gum off pavements on saturdays.

Are they not Millwall fans?]

 

[The Wookiee]

TRUST NO C*NT

 

[algie]

You don`t have any faith in them but you want them to carry guns

Come on Algie

I trust you are not South American and thinking of doing an electrical course.

I don't have faith in them but i do believe they should carry guns.Is that to hard to understand

 

[algie]

TRUST NO twattwattwattwat

I know where your coming from

 

[Buzzer]

Seriously - I don't know what the answer is.


More visible punishments. Asbo-holders being made to wear pink outfits and clean chewing gum off pavements on saturdays.

Are they not Millwall fans?]

I was just thinking out loud really when I typed that.

I've no idea if any of my suggestions would work but there is definitely too much emphasis on criminal's rights and not on the victims of crime. A bit of humiliation might make the little scrotes act differently.

 

[British Bulldog]

You get arrested because there are 'reasonable grounds' to suspect you either have, are, or are about to commit a crime. Usually this is because someone has accused you of it, or you've been seen by someone.

People do make malicious allegations, it happens all the time. If I turn up at a job and am faced with a seemingly distraught female with a cut face and she's telling me that the girl over there just whacked her, how can I possibly make a decision then and there that it's a load of crap? Unfortunately the way the justice system doesn't allow me that sort of discretion, and I would HAVE to arrest the accused on that initial evidence.

You get interviewed. The evidence, ie statements from victims, your interview account, if any, CCTV, forensic evidence, whatever, gets sent to the CPS. THEY make a decision on prosecution, and believe me, plenty of stuff gets dropped at that stage. There's no "convincing", because the CPS lawyers think they're a class above everyone anyway, but especially ordinary PCs. And half the time we're dealing with stuff that we know is total shit anyway, so we're delighted if the CPS advise no further action!

As for people's details appearing in court, well any law boffin will tell you it's a fundamental principle of English law that anyone sent for trial has a right to face their accuser in court. So clearly they're going to find out your name (unless it's a sexual offence)- generally, if you're a victim, you have to give evidence anyway, or you have no case. The "details", by which I presume Algie means address, personal stuff, and so on, is recorded only on documentation which does not get sent to the defence, therefore if any of that comes out in court, then it is down to the CPS prosecutor.

I'm not having a pop at you personally edna because your a police officer, you have a job to do and you'll do it to your best ability like the rest of us. But the thing that really grated with me over it was the fact it involved a coloured person and the fact that I have a bulldog tattoo which the police automatically assumed was there for racist purposes, And that seemed to cloud the fact that I had done nothing wrong in the first place. If they had spent as much time gathering the real facts as they did asking about my tattoo and the BNP then it would never have gone to court in the first place. I got the distinct impression that the CPS saw it as easy game.

 

[algie]

Well, would you and do you?

Isn't shite a northern word?

If i was a few years younger i would of liked to have gone into the army so i think that answers your question

 

[Lady Whistledown]

When my son got attacked it took them a week to turn up, He felt very let down by the police and I wish I had'nt listened to the so called sensible advice I was given by involving them. I should've followed my instincts and taken the law into my own hands because at least justice would have been done.

A week- I agree, that is crap. It does often take a couple of days for the police to get round to stuff, especially in somewhere like Brighton, which is always busy. Maybe in somewhere like Uckfield, it'd be less so.

Jobs are graded by call handlers, according to the urgency of them. Grade 1 would usually mean someone is being attacked there and then, or there's an offender on scene who is likely to escape otherwise, could be lots of things, but things that need immediate attendance.

Occasions where someone has maybe been a victim of crime, but they know the offender (who is therefore easily located in due course), or the victim has left the scene and is now safe, for example, would probably be a grade two. Anything less than that would be stuff like your garden gnome has been pinched in the middle of the night, you have no idea who did it and no means to find out. All you need is a crime number for insurance, and it really doesn't require police attendance because they know and you know it's not going anywhere.

To give you an idea of the numbers- in Brighton & Hove, on a normal day, there will be in about 25 PCs on duty, to look after a population of 250,000 people, give or take, plus the daily influx of workers, holidaymakers etc etc.

You could expect maybe 10-20 grade 1s per hour over the division, and at any one time, there will usually be a combined total of probably 30-40 grade 2 jobs waiting to be dealt with. That, unfortunately, is why it can take so long to see so called non-urgent victims of crime.

Not ideal, but it's the reality.

 

[Gully]

I can only speak from experience, most of the Police I have met I would trust completely, they are just normal people like the rest of us (most of us) trying to do a job. Granted that most of my contact has been in social rather than work or other situations so that may colour my view, I had a couple of mates who were cops in the Edinburgh area and they were a right laugh. Most people who slag the cops off probably spend most of their life on the wrong side of the law in any case so their opinion is likely to be a little negative. That said there can be bad apples in every barrel, but what profession can honestly say that it is whiter than white?

 

[H block]

I'm not having a pop at you personally edna because your a police officer, you have a job to do and you'll do it to your best ability like the rest of us. But the thing that really grated with me over it was the fact it involved a coloured person and the fact that I have a bulldog tattoo which the police automatically assumed was there for racist purposes, And that seemed to cloud the fact that I had done nothing wrong in the first place. If they had spent as much time gathering the real facts as they did asking about my tattoo and the BNP then it would never have gone to court in the first place. I got the distinct impression that the CPS saw it as easy game.

I went to court over a road rage incident following a dust up and because the other chap - who was abusive and instagated it - came off worse, I was charged. It was pathetic why it went to court, but lucky for me the magistrates saw sense. I have little faith in the police I`m afraid.

 

[army ali]

If i was a few years younger i would of liked to have gone into the army so i think that answers your question

Army is just the same as the Police - Thankless and no mony to equip us.

I applaud you for your admission

 

[blue'n'white]

I think that, in general, they do a bloody good job.
It's a hard job and, let's face it, a bloody difficult job but on the whole they get it pretty right.
Yes there are some bad apples who give the rest of them a bad name but it's like that in any walk of life - football fans included.
Just cos some little twat from New Addington has caused trouble at a match we, as Albion fans, are tarred with the same brush even though we weren't responsible cos it's "football fans" whoever you support well it is to the general populace anyway.
The Police are the same - one gives someone a kicking so they are all tarred with the same brush.
You cannot generalise