Do you trust the police

[British Bulldog]

I don't understand why some people have this rose tinted view that coppers are any different from anyone else doing any other job. We have the same problems and lives that everyone else has and on top of that are simply ordinary people doing an extra-ordinary job.

So why do you hide behind your uniforms when it suits you ?

 

[British Bulldog]

I'd like all future posts on this thread to include your own job and then maybe I can dish out some misplaced abuse based on my own poor experience with
whatever job you do.

Underpaid railway signalman!

 

[NMH]

I trust me but I don't trust anyone else!!

I don't understand why some people have this rose tinted view that coppers are any different from anyone else doing any other job. We have the same problems and lives that everyone else has and on top of that are simply ordinary people doing an extra-ordinary job. It should come as no surprise that sometimes you will encounter grumpy old bill who get all jobsworth and issue you a ticket or nick you, likewise on a good day and in a good mood you will be surprised what you will get let off for!! I think if a lot of people in their jobs had the same level of bullshit and accountability that I have on a daily basis they would jack it in tomorrow.

Saying that, there are some right tossers in the police although on the whole most of us are quite alright. A lot of it depends on your own (or a mates0 individual experience with the old bill. If you have had a negative experience you are unlikely to like us a great deal whereas if I turn up and you get a first class response and service then you will probably be quite positive about us.

I'd like all future posts on this thread to include your own job and then maybe I can dish out some misplaced abuse based on my own poor experience with
whatever job you do.

No, this thread is about the pigs, why should it include what everyone else does so you can judge it? It's about THE PIGS like it says on the tin.

Extraordinary job my arse. We all put in the hours and have to make them count, and stand up to be counted ourselves - so you can SHUT THE WHINGING that you lot are so 'special' as you get loads and you get carte blanche from lots of people because you wear (and misrepresent, a lot of the time) a uniform that puts you in the biggest gang in the world.

The TROUBLE with your attititude is that YOU think you are quality and special, so you imagine just being there is enough. Well it ain't. And you DON'T get to judge my work on a thread about trusting the bill. You just illustrated another reason not to trust 'em, in my opinion.

 

[NMH]

I trust me but I don't trust anyone else!!

I don't understand why some people have this rose tinted view that coppers are any different from anyone else doing any other job. We have the same problems and lives that everyone else has and on top of that are simply ordinary people doing an extra-ordinary job. It should come as no surprise that sometimes you will encounter grumpy old bill who get all jobsworth and issue you a ticket or nick you, likewise on a good day and in a good mood you will be surprised what you will get let off for!! I think if a lot of people in their jobs had the same level of bullshit and accountability that I have on a daily basis they would jack it in tomorrow.

Saying that, there are some right tossers in the police although on the whole most of us are quite alright. A lot of it depends on your own (or a mates0 individual experience with the old bill. If you have had a negative experience you are unlikely to like us a great deal whereas if I turn up and you get a first class response and service then you will probably be quite positive about us.

I'd like all future posts on this thread to include your own job and then maybe I can dish out some misplaced abuse based on my own poor experience with
whatever job you do.

Extraordinary job my arse. We all put in the hours and have to make them count, and stand up to be counted ourselves - and you get carte blanche from lots of people because you wear (and some misrepresent) a uniform that puts you in the biggest gang in the world.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I'd like all future posts on this thread to include your own job and then maybe I can dish out some misplaced abuse based on my own poor experience with
whatever job you do.

Cat (see left)

 

[British Bulldog]

Extraordinary job my arse. We all put in the hours and have to make them count, and stand up to be counted ourselves - so you can SHUT THE WHINGING that you lot are so 'special' as you get loads and you get carte blanche from lots of people because you wear (and misrepresent, a lot of the time) a uniform that puts you in the biggest gang in the world.

The TROUBLE with your attititude is that YOU think you are quality and special, so you imagine just being there is enough. Well it ain't. And you DON'T get to judge my work on a thread about trusting the bill. You just illustrated another reason not to trust 'em, in my opinion.

Top post!

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

nope

 

[Yorkie]

Both my parents were in the Police (and yes the piglet jokes have been made before) and I think it was a lot easier to police back in the 50s and early 60s.
I work extremely closely with the police now and I feel very sorry for them - the red tape is horrendous.
In the main though I think they get it right.
Crime should, however, be stopped at the source which is the parents of the little bastards who cause most of the vandalism but because of our idiotic laws ("Human Rights" - if you're a criminal you ain't got ANY right) and the way that this country has gone down the pan in the last 10 years since B.Liar took over it's going to take decades to get it right again. We're now paying for the 60s liberalisation and the "permissive society" in the shape of increased crime. It wasn't meant to be like this

I would agree with that.

 

[Collar Feeler]

So why do you hide behind your uniforms when it suits you ?

Expand on that, it's a very general statement?

 

[Collar Feeler]

No, this thread is about the pigs, why should it include what everyone else does so you can judge it? It's about THE PIGS like it says on the tin.

Extraordinary job my arse. We all put in the hours and have to make them count, and stand up to be counted ourselves - so you can SHUT THE WHINGING that you lot are so 'special' as you get loads and you get carte blanche from lots of people because you wear (and misrepresent, a lot of the time) a uniform that puts you in the biggest gang in the world.

The TROUBLE with your attititude is that YOU think you are quality and special, so you imagine just being there is enough. Well it ain't. And you DON'T get to judge my work on a thread about trusting the bill. You just illustrated another reason not to trust 'em, in my opinion.

'THE PIGS' ?! You'll have to try harder than that to get a reaction.

However, since when did you decide what this thread could and couldn't include as a topic for discussion. Talk about burying your head in the sand, you don't like what i post so you start ranting that i have no right to post it. Well guess what, i'll post what i like and if you don't like it, tough tits.

Neither do you have the balls to admit what you do for a living.

You clearly hate the police and nothing anyone says will ever change that.

 

[DJ Leon]

Yeah come on NMH, what do YOU do for a living?

The police generally do a good job in difficult circumstances. Personally I try not to be anti any group which could one day help me. It'd be like saying doctors are a lazy bunch of overpaid charalatans, or Firemen disorganised unionists. Yes every workforce can improve, but just like any other profession the police are NOT inherently bad.

Perhaps we could have an opt-out card, where people, who will still have to obey the law (obviously), cannot directly be aided by the police? Those not trusting them, could save on their council tax bill and help us that do trust and appreciate the police get a better service? Everyone's a winner!

 

[NMH]

'THE PIGS' ?! You'll have to try harder than that to get a reaction.

However, since when did you decide what this thread could and couldn't include as a topic for discussion. Talk about burying your head in the sand, you don't like what i post so you start ranting that i have no right to post it. Well guess what, i'll post what i like and if you don't like it, tough tits.

Neither do you have the balls to admit what you do for a living.

You clearly hate the police and nothing anyone says will ever change that.

Re 'The PIGS' - I did get a reaction, as you mentioned it, in caps.

And I didn't say what you can or can't include, but I did question why you think you should be able to judge what others do.

And it's got nowt to do with me having balls to say what I do, it's a thread about the ob and that's that. Comparisons don't come into what I do, and especially since YOU don't pay my wages! I actually have a place to comment on the police as your dosh comes out of public wages and you are a public servant.....with some responsibility to serve the public. If it was a thread about football players, does it come into it, that they then can judge what the paying public (who rent the seats at Withdean) do for a living??!!
Check your attitude OUT, copper!!

And I don't 'hate the police' - but I DO clearly have some disdain for what in my experience has been a sad 'falling short' - as a law abiding citizen.

I have chased a jewel-thief until WE ran into the domain of a cop, who I called to for help - he then dallied and questioned ME while the perp. legged it successfully! I got taken in (as a SUSPECT) for questioning!! Brilliant. Genius.

I have called the ob as a chav smashed a phone-box - to have the receptionist suddenly tell me they couldn't hear what I was saying, the phone line was bad (I could hear THEM BREATHING during the ensuing silence on the other end while I attempted to blither on to someone who could hear me until I told them what I was calling about).

One time, as a kid, I got on the last night-train, which was standing-room only. There were two coppers staring in the carriage at me, and after a few minutes, I did a 'silly wave' (no, not an obscene gesture in any way). I got dragged off the train and told to make my own way home, as (in response to my objections) they 'could do what they liked'. I refused to leave Brighton Station, because this was a clear infringement of my rights, and was arrested to spend until 5am in jail. In the court case, the pig (yes, PIG) lied to the court that I was "screaming [obscenities] at the top of my voice". The judge believed my true statement that I did not have these obscenities in my vocabulary, but decided that the pig MUST have made his decision to arrest based on some reason, and fined me the minimum; £10. "next".

Most people are well aware that you lot are very much there to impose fines on whoever you can for moneyraiser offences, but seldom come up with the results for the victims of real crime.

No mate, the thread is all about whether we trust the police, LIKE IT SAYS ON THE TIN. Nothing to do with YOU passing judgement in return, on what I do. That's not the thread, and it won't be included in my response.

And STILL you only serve to underline why people - sorry, I don't speak for the people, that is ME being presumptuous - I mean I for one, feel a lack of trust, satisfaction, or general vfm from the force.

 

[glasfryn]

You get some good & some bad. Like all walks of life.
If you tar everyone with the same brush you end up bitter & twisted.

All together now, "Harry Roberts is our friend...................."

normally I would agree with you ............but the police no,no thats where we would differ if you have a good copper why is he not doing something about the bad ones as thats what he is paid for if he/she does nothing while others break all the rules then he/she is just as as bad as the bad ones.
having spent some years as a prison officer and watched the goings on of some coppers I personally would not trust any copper as far as I could throw them.

 

[NMH]

Yeah come on NMH, what do YOU do for a living?

The police generally do a good job in difficult circumstances. Personally I try not to be anti any group which could one day help me. It'd be like saying doctors are a lazy bunch of overpaid charalatans, or Firemen disorganised unionists. Yes every workforce can improve, but just like any other profession the police are NOT inherently bad.

Perhaps we could have an opt-out card, where people, who will still have to obey the law (obviously), cannot directly be aided by the police? Those not trusting them, could save on their council tax bill and help us that do trust and appreciate the police get a better service? Everyone's a winner!

As above - it's not a thread about what I do for a living, and nobody would have any grounds to criticise what I do unless they are my clients.
In YOUR opinion the police do a good job, but I posted MY opinion. IT'S MY OPINION do you understand?

You try not to be anti any group who 'might help you'? Wow, you are easily pleased. They might give you a ticket for speeding or not wearing a seat belt, but as long as there's a faint chance they might be of help...... ?
Lend me £50, I might pay you back, and maybe with interest.

Howabout we look at that last statement another way sunshine;
I will pay my taxes, but every time I feel that the public servants failed to respond in the VERY FEW moments that I required they earn their wages - I get a refund. That works for me, and it's not far removed from what you suggest in your last paragraph. "Everyone's a winner!"

 

[Buzzer]

The Albanians run most of the prostitution and the growing street prostitution problem around London Road and the majority of the drug scene and the Chinese control the illegal gambling a few of the brothels and have a few other 'concerns'

Surprised you havent been asked for protection money.

And YES I will visit the shop soon xxx

Street prostitution in London Road?

Whereabouts then cause I walk through London Road every day on my way to work and can't say I've noticed scantily clad heroin addicts touting their arses.

Illegal gambling? In what way illegal and why the need? THere's surely every type of gambling already and legal.

 

[Collar Feeler]

And I didn't say what you can or can't include, but I did question why you think you should be able to judge what others do.

And it's got nowt to do with me having balls to say what I do, it's a thread about the ob and that's that. Comparisons don't come into what I do, and especially since YOU don't pay my wages! I actually have a place to comment on the police as your dosh comes out of public wages and you are a public servant.....with some responsibility to serve the public. If it was a thread about football players, does it come into it, that they then can judge what the paying public (who rent the seats at Withdean) do for a living??!!
Check your attitude OUT, copper!!

And I don't 'hate the police' - but I DO clearly have some disdain for what in my experience has been a sad 'falling short' - as a law abiding citizen.

I have chased a jewel-thief until WE ran into the domain of a cop, who I called to for help - he then dallied and questioned ME while the perp. legged it successfully! I got taken in (as a SUSPECT) for questioning!! Brilliant. Genius.

I have called the ob as a chav smashed a phone-box - to have the receptionist suddenly tell me they couldn't hear what I was saying, the phone line was bad (I could hear THEM BREATHING during the ensuing silence on the other end while I attempted to blither on to someone who could hear me until I told them what I was calling about).

One time, as a kid, I got on the last night-train, which was standing-room only. There were two coppers staring in the carriage at me, and after a few minutes, I did a 'silly wave' (no, not an obscene gesture in any way). I got dragged off the train and told to make my own way home, as (in response to my objections) they 'could do what they liked'. I refused to leave Brighton Station, because this was a clear infringement of my rights, and was arrested to spend until 5am in jail. In the court case, the pig (yes, PIG) lied to the court that I was "screaming [obscenities] at the top of my voice". The judge believed my true statement that I did not have these obscenities in my vocabulary, but decided that the pig MUST have made his decision to arrest based on some reason, and fined me the minimum; £10. "next".

Most people are well aware that you lot are very much there to impose fines on whoever you can for moneyraiser offences, but seldom come up with the results for the victims of real crime.

No mate, the thread is all about whether we trust the police, LIKE IT SAYS ON THE TIN. Nothing to do with YOU passing judgement in return, on what I do. That's not the thread, and it won't be included in my response.

And STILL you only serve to underline why people - sorry, I don't speak for the people, that is ME being presumptuous - I mean I for one, feel a lack of trust, satisfaction, or general vfm from the force.

You question why I think I should be able to judge what others do for a living? the answer to that is exactly the same reason you think you can do the same to me and the job i do.

Your issues with the police seem to be based around a limited experience (albeit a poor experience) in contact with them.

Your laboured point to the verge of hysteria about this being a thread about a specific subject and refusing to be drawn in another direction shows a unwillingness to engage in debate.

Since when did any thread on this board stick to the point of the initial post or not digress onto other subjects? If I care to digress I shall and if it means you can't bear to divulge what you do for a living then that's fine.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for paying my wages, the 0.001 pence that you as an individual contribute to my wages means so much to me.

I sleep very soundly at night knowing full well that each day I come home from work I have done a good job. Most of that job involves ridding the streets of Brighton & Hove of drug dealers and users and associated thieving scumbags. I take immense pleasure in arresting and charging these people and making the city I live in a safer place. Yes I am aware that for every arrest I make there are another 50 or even 100 still out there but at least I am doing my bit and can look at my kids every night and feel good about my job and what I trying to achieve.

 

[DJ Leon]

As above - it's not a thread about what I do for a living, and nobody would have any grounds to criticise what I do unless they are my clients.
In YOUR opinion the police do a good job, but I posted MY opinion. IT'S MY OPINION do you understand?

You try not to be anti any group who 'might help you'? Wow, you are easily pleased. They might give you a ticket for speeding or not wearing a seat belt, but as long as there's a faint chance they might be of help...... ?
Lend me £50, I might pay you back, and maybe with interest.

Howabout we look at that last statement another way sunshine;
I will pay my taxes, but every time I feel that the public servants failed to respond in the VERY FEW moments that I required they earn their wages - I get a refund. That works for me, and it's not far removed from what you suggest in your last paragraph. "Everyone's a winner!"

Do I understand that this is your opinion? Yes, why wouldn't I? Why have you made such a point of that? Presumably because I disagreed with, you think it's personal? Extraordinary.

I think your refusal to say what it is you do for a living is pertinent. Any workforce can be easily criticised, but few are inherently bad - as you suggest the police are. I am sure yours is the same. If you really think only your clients can criticise you properly why not say what you do and we'll see about that, sunshine (surely the most patronising word ever used on NSC).

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I trust The Police. It's The Specials I don't trust.

WELL dodgy-looking geezers

 

[surrey jim]

Saying that, there are some right tossers in the police although on the whole most of us are quite alright. A lot of it depends on your own (or a mates0 individual experience with the old bill. If you have had a negative experience you are unlikely to like us a great deal whereas if I turn up and you get a first class response and service then you will probably be quite positive about us.

. im sure you would rather be catching criminals than giving speeding tickets to people doing 31mph.

I'd like all future posts on this thread to include your own job and then maybe I can dish out some misplaced abuse based on my own poor experience with
whatever job you do.

AMEX call centre

 

[NMH]

You question why I think I should be able to judge what others do for a living? the answer to that is exactly the same reason you think you can do the same to me and the job i do.

Your issues with the police seem to be based around a limited experience (albeit a poor experience) in contact with them.

Your laboured point to the verge of hysteria about this being a thread about a specific subject and refusing to be drawn in another direction shows a unwillingness to engage in debate.

Since when did any thread on this board stick to the point of the initial post or not digress onto other subjects? If I care to digress I shall and if it means you can't bear to divulge what you do for a living then that's fine.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for paying my wages, the 0.001 pence that you as an individual contribute to my wages means so much to me.

I sleep very soundly at night knowing full well that each day I come home from work I have done a good job. Most of that job involves ridding the streets of Brighton & Hove of drug dealers and users and associated thieving scumbags. I take immense pleasure in arresting and charging these people and making the city I live in a safer place. Yes I am aware that for every arrest I make there are another 50 or even 100 still out there but at least I am doing my bit and can look at my kids every night and feel good about my job and what I trying to achieve.

No. The thread IS NOT about what everybody does for a living!! I don't know why you aren't 'getting' that.
What I do is absolutely irrelevent to this thread, and unless you are my client you would have no place to talk about my work. I remain disappointed in your insistences that is relevent, and more so by your sarcastic aspect and 'thanks'. No thanks to you then, whatever amount you think it is I pay for some part of your being there. I think it's more than 0.001 pence, maybe that much just for you. Then some for each of the other boys in blue eh? Still, if I pay that AND get inconvenienced and waste my time reporting - that is costing a smidgeon more. I realise that there are the people arrested and incarcerated who WOULD mean me harm, that you people keep from the ability to do so.
As much as I appreciate that fact, I don't personally 'trust' the police, I think there will always be something left to be desired!

My "limited experience" is something I can only be thankful for. Based on the few times I personally encountered their/your professional attentions, I would rather not put it to any more of the test! Respecting what you stand for is one thing, encountering experiences meted out to equal that respect is another. I'm not talking from the perpective of someone who just read about Blair Peach, Giant Haystacks, or the Menezes lad either.

Listen mate - I have gone beyond the simple part of putting a dot in the NO box. There are 31 others - I only gave one dot. I'm not spitting fire and brimstone but my response is abviously cutting and uncompromising for you. I do NOT 'hate the police', I am simply saying why it is I did not just put my dot in another box in this poll.

In my business I listen to my clients and try to put their complaints - when they may have one - right. I don't bring into it how much they paid, make fun of how little it is a drop in my bucket!!

Do you think MY clients would speak well of me, and underline trust in me if I ask them what THEY do for a living, try to belittle their bad experiences, and tell them how tiny they paid me??