Again nothing you have said tonight is unreasonable, I’ll say again how many people went to the ballot box thinking nothing other than no more EU, many had made their minds up long before that wish list aired.
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Again nothing you have said tonight is unreasonable, I’ll say again how many people went to the ballot box thinking nothing other than no more EU, many had made their minds up long before that wish list aired.
Looks more like a 'Contract' than a wish list.....
Pretty pink fairy
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Yep , unlike the EU tag team on here who dismissed Brexit as pie in the sky , oh what a lovely day
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nicko31
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I'm sure many like yourself just wanted out and at any cost. This is clear and there are many out there that don't even care if the UK breaks up, quite likely a majority of leave voters, ironically waving their Union jacks at every opportunity.
But if Vote Leave had told the truth and explained what Brexit would really be like they would not have secured their slim majority
And if there was a ratification of Brexit next year, leave would never win again. That won't happen for a while
ManOfSussex
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Bit of advice here too - do what I've done - put both those posters you've replied to there on ignore, along with their like minded friend JCFG, turn off notifications so that sad person accessing the username Is It PotG? giving you a thumbs up is no longer received as notification making him as irrelevant as all the rest of his posts and you've turned NSC into a far better place without missing anything at all. Apart from missing the innocuous insults, inane sneering, 3 word soundbites with zero substance and links to The Daily Telegraph and Guido Fawkes obviously.
pastafarian
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If I had fallen for believing that document was indeed a “contract” from the Government and not a disingenuous interpretation compiled by Open Britain in conjunction with arch remainers Nick Clegg, Nicky Morgan and Chris Leslie then I would be a bit pissed.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n.../1490680551/govtcontract_final.pdf?1490680551
Well that’s what Open Britain wanted you to believe
Little known fact. Scotland is a part of the UK.
ManOfSussex
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Sky News now reporting they understand there has been a major capitulation by the British, sorry 'breakthrough', on the fishing impasse. They'll be dancing on the streets of Ramsgate tonight.
nicko31
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Hopefully they are keeping power dry for the other 99.98% of the UK economy
nicko31
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The contract is based on what Vote Leave spouted during the referendum. Do you dispute any these points?
Yes Scotland is in the UK for now. but lets face it Johnson has been the biggest boost the SNP could have ever dreamed of...
Lincoln Imp
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Asking people why they voted Leave (as the Ashcroft poll did) is a bit pointless because most will give a 'respectable' reason. (Someone I know told me a couple of weeks ago that she wouldn't vote Labour because that Kier Starmer's eyes are too close together but I doubt she'd say that to a bloke with a questionnaire.) We're all prone to it at times. (My opinion on VAR varies from match to match.)
I've no evidence other than anecdotal but I suspect a lot of good people voted Leave for a very straightforward reason. Living in some rundown provincial redoubt, starved of jobs, investment and hope, they found themselves being asked, as they saw it, by a couple of awfully nice pink Etonians whether they were content with how everything was going in Westminster and beyond or whether they'd like to give the chaps in suits the old finger.
They were given a one-off yes/no opportunity to express their approval or otherwise on what was important to them and this they legitimately did. My niece, who's bright, voted Leave for the specific reason that she was pissed off with Russians driving central London property prices up. I'd think that for every person who voted out for reasons to do with the European Union there was another who did so for reasons that had nothing to do with it.
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so basically Brexiters have moved position from not being able to provide a single Brexit benefit to now suggest they voted to not have any benefits whatsoever even if there were perhaps some that materialised? So a large proportion of people voted to leave the EU but they more specifically wanted nothing good to come from it?
I have to disagree with one other point, if you did get exactly what you voted for we would have left in March 2019. How many Brexiters voted for 3 extensions?
Billy the Fish
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From 2 years ago.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit
It is project fear though, you and others are still pushing it.
On this thread I've been told (off the top of my head) that hospitals will run out of medicine, planes won't be able to land, food in supermarkets will run out, all the banks will move out of London, the NHS won't have any staff, UK will be at the back of the queue and pay more for covid vaccine!
Randy McNob
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This is the governments own reasonable worst case scenario
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse
1) Flow rates of medicines and medical products "could initially reduce to 60-80% over three months which, if unmitigated, would impact on the supply of medicines and medical products across the UK".
2) "Protests and counter-protests will take place across the UK and may absorb significant amounts of police resources. There may also be a rise in public disorder and community tensions."
3) "EU and UK fishers could clash over the lost access to historic fishing grounds, and there could be a significant uplift in illegal fishing activities."
4) "Competing demands on UK government and devolved administration maritime agencies and their assets could put [maritime security] enforcement and response capabilities at risk."
5) There will be "reduced [food] supply availability, especially of certain fresh products" and "supply of some critical dependencies for the food supply chain... could be reduced".
6) "Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel."
7) "Border delays, tariffs and new regulatory barriers/costs may result in disruption to supply of critical chemicals used in the UK... leading to the disruption of essential services (such as food, energy, water and medicine). Economic factors could result in some chemicals suppliers reducing operations or closing."
8) "Border delays could affect local fuel disruption. There will not be wider national-level oil shortage."
9) There is a risk of a reduction in the supply of medicines for UK veterinary use which "would reduce our ability to prevent and control disease outbreaks, with potential detrimental impacts for animal health and welfare, the environment, wider food safety/availability and zoonotic disease control which can directly impact human health".
10) "Between 40-70% of trucks travelling to the EU might not be ready for new border controls. This could reduce flow across the short channel crossing to 60-80% of normal levels with maximum queues of 7,000 trucks in Kent and delays of two days. The worst disruption would subside within three months".
11) The transition from "internal security cooperation with the EU" to "non-EU mechanisms" may not be smooth and seamless and may "result in a mutual reduction in capability to tackle crime and terrorism".
12) Around one in 20 local authorities are at risk of financial collapse as a result of higher service demand caused by a disruptive EU exit.
So are the Government themselves pushing project fear?
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Not many Randy! Oh and I’m not certain a few blokes who voted leave on a football forum are a bellwether of Brexiteers in the UK, equally the same can be said if Remainers.
Brexit: 'Significant progress' in talks over fishing rights during trade negotiations - EU sources http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-si...during-trade-negotiations-eu-sources-12153801
nicko31
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Amazing the way the Irish don't wet their bed over fish yet its 10 times more relevant to their overall economy than the UK.
Any news on passporting...equivalence on financial services?
nicko31
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Things should be OK for EU exporters at least in the short term as we will leave our customs border wide open, tariffs or no tariffs.
Different story for UK exporters stuck in the mud at a Kent lorry park. Do we supply an insulin to Europe? I hope not
#takingbackcontrol
No not yet , I think they are waiting for Watford Zero to start a thread on those issues?
“ Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove is also going to Brussels for a meeting with European Commission Vice-President Maroš Šefčovič.”
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?