[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Quick and genuine question for the remain folk, of the 52% who voted leave, what percentage do you think put their cross on the paper with the only desire being separation from the EU?

Well, I can think of one who seemed to have been taken in by all the 'free trade deals with the world', ready to go 1st Feb 2020 lies.

Australia it would seem have been in touch and would like to agree a free trade deal with us asap, maybe the UK can stand on its own two feet? Maybe to soon to tell but it's a start no?

Looking into this story in more detail via the BBC news app has revealed that we are in talks with upto a dozen countries who a keen to arrange free trade deals with us, Dr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

Then there is trade, as a free self governing nation once again we can return to global trade under World Trade Rules (WTO), as the majority of the free world does. In fact once the UK is free to remove EU imposed tariffs on none EU goods many things such as shoes from China and various foods will be reduced in price thus helping the lower paid. Without many EU directives businesses will be freed from time wasting bureaucracy and will prosper, which will create more jobs and opportunities.
Since the 17.4 million majority voted to leave the EU just over three years ago all the predictions of the gloom mongers have been proven wrong, the UK, unlike many of the nations in the EU, has been prospering. While Greece has seen much misery, bankruptcies and people being made homeless, while Italy has been skirting around the fringes of bankruptcy and there has been high numbers of youth unemployment in Spain, the UK economy has been flourishing.

I guess the percentages would be split between

Those, like yourself, who naively believed the trade deals with the world lies
Those who believed we would stay in the single market
Those who believed it would stop illegal immigration
Those who believed the lie on the bus
Those who believed it would be 'the easiest deal in history'
Those who are simply racist
Those who believed 'we hold all the cards' in any future negotiations
Those who believed it would boost the economy
Those who believed there would be no border in the Irish sea
Those who wanted straight bananas
Those who believed 5 years ago that Turkey were imminently joining
Those who believed 5 years ago that the EU was going to collapse
Those who didn't understand the ballot paper and voted the wrong way

And I could keep going for hours , but really can't be arsed.

And I bet they are all claiming they 'just wanted to leave the EU' for no reason whatsoever as well

 

[WATFORD zero]

No not yet , I think they are waiting for Watford Zero to start a thread on those issues?

I've been waiting a month for you to come back on this easy one about what we do for the Ireland/NI border. I really didn't think it would help by confusing you with more complicated matters

What about a trade/customs only crossings on the border?

So border infrastructure? There are 300 crossing points

Mmmm, good point, maybe have designated trade crossings?

5 or six trade goods areas at various points on the border similar to the stations you see weighing lorry’s surely could work no?

But you then have to deal with smuggling across the whole border outside of those crossings. Those crossings would need be major as they would need to process all procedures, standards, tariffs etc, same as all UK ports. Unless there was a free trade deal of course, but to get that the UK would have to agree to EU regulations, and the border wouldn't be needed.

Mmm tricky, I’ll give it some more thought, thank you for your considered answers.

 

[nicko31]

Well, I can think of one who seemed to have been taken in by all the trade deal lies

Good work Watford, gotta love a bit of Brexit nostalgia to brighten up a foggy dark Monday

 

[nicko31]

So just to clear things up

Today the Tories are trying to pass legislation to undo Johnson's oven ready deal.

Has he been ?

a) Incompetent?

b) Dishonest?

or

c) Both

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Just seen Piers Morgan savage James Cleverly (A surname that should lead to prosecution under some sort of Trade Description Act.) A very tetchy interview indeed if not as much of a forensic dismantling that Watford Z. has just undertaken above.
Specifically Morgan challenged JC on the leaked 'reasonable worst case scenario' document for a no deal whereupon he was 'reassured' that a seatbelt is a mitigation to the reasonable worst case scenario and not a prediction that an accident will happen. I thought that was rather a 'clever' parallel to the car crash that is a no deal Brexit.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

So just to clear things up

Today the Tories are trying to pass legislation to undo Johnson's oven ready deal.

Has he been ?

a) Incompetent?

b) Dishonest?

or

c) Both

He has a unique genius for c.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Things should be OK for EU exporters at least in the short term as we will leave our customs border wide open, tariffs or no tariffs.

Different story for UK exporters stuck in the mud at a Kent lorry park. Do we supply an insulin to Europe? I hope not

#takingbackcontrol

The lorries go back and forth full each way. They don't do the return journey empty.

This means that any lorries stuck in Kent are also delayed returning back to the UK full.

If 1 way gets bogged down in the mud so does the other way.

 

[nicko31]

The lorries go back and forth full each way. They don't do the return journey empty.

This means that any lorries stuck in Kent are also delayed returning back to the UK full.

If 1 way gets bogged down in the mud so does the other way.

The word on the street from the freight industry is that many drivers (dominated by Eastern Europeans) will simply pass on taking jobs bound for the UK in January. They get paid for km, you don't get anything for being stuck in Kent. Plus many have not bothered engaging in all the new red tape, too much hassle.

I'll take Berlin to Stockholm this week thanks gov...

 

[Randy McNob]

“ Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove is also going to Brussels for a meeting with European Commission Vice-President Maroš Šefčovič.”

What could possibly go wrong?

Does he have all the cards with him?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The word on the street from the freight industry is many drivers (dominated by Eastern Europeans) will simply pass on taking jobs bound for the UK in January. They get paid for km, you don't get anything for being stuck in Kent. Plus many have not bothered engaging in all the new red tape, too much hassle.

I'll take Berlin to Stockholm this week thanks gov...

It pretty much means delivery charges are going to go up significantly both for exporters and importers. We'll all be paying more. Shame that wasn't written on a bus.

 

[A1X]

But if Vote Leave had told the truth and explained what Brexit would really be like they would not have secured their slim majority

Ultimately, "Remain" was essentially a homogenous group with a common agreed outcome (i.e. that nothing would change). Whereas "Leave" was a coalition of any manner of disparate visions, ideas and plans, which ranged from full EFTA and Customs Union to "let's nuke Brussels". They agreed they wanted to "Leave", but could never have agreed on what would happen once that had been achieved. Hence why we are where we are, because successive Ministers and Prime Ministers have taken "the path of least resistance" (because they couldn't manage to get everyone to agree on anything else) and we're as ****ed as we are.

Worth remembering even with a trade deal there will still be enormous upheaval in the new year, and utter chaos. In many ways it actually matters very little to most people whether there is a deal or not, the damage is already done.

 

[A1X]

So just to clear things up

Today the Tories are trying to pass legislation to undo Johnson's oven ready deal.

Has he been ?

a) Incompetent?

b) Dishonest?

or

c) Both

Legislation which is also going to royally piss off the US Government.

Be interesting to see who we end up allying ourselves to. We'll be a western country which has damaged relations with both the EU and the US. Who are we planning on turning to?

China? The Hong Kong issue might be a major sticking point there.
Russia? I mean who cares about state-sponsored terrorism killing British citizens on British soil really...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Quick and genuine question for the remain folk, of the 52% who voted leave, what percentage do you think put their cross on the paper with the only desire being separation from the EU?

In these dark days, we need a little cheering up and so we can all join in the fun, here's a guessing game for you (and I'll give you the answers, so you only have to guess the percentages).

What percentage of the 245 NSC posters that voted leave on this thread

Don't post on NSC any more
Don't use that Account any more and have set up and use a new one since the referendum
Use a number of different accounts
Post on NSC but never go near this thread
Come onto this thread, read it, give an occasional thumbs up, but won't post
Claim they didn't vote for Brexit
Constantly change the reasons they voted for Brexit
Are an illiterate, racist, scrounging, anti-semite, homophobic, holocaust denying, nazi moron

The answers are all here on NSC.

I think that's everyone covered, unless you can think of others

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well, I can think of one who seemed to have been taken in by all the 'free trade deals with the world', ready to go 1st Feb 2020 lies.







I guess the percentages would be split between

Those, like yourself, who naively believed the trade deals with the world lies
Those who believed we would stay in the single market
Those who believed it would stop illegal immigration
Those who believed the lie on the bus
Those who believed it would be 'the easiest deal in history'
Those who are simply racist
Those who believed 'we hold all the cards' in any future negotiations
Those who believed it would boost the economy
Those who believed there would be no border in the Irish sea
Those who wanted straight bananas
Those who believed 5 years ago that Turkey were imminently joining
Those who believed 5 years ago that the EU was going to collapse
Those who didn't understand the ballot paper and voted the wrong way

And I could keep going for hours , but really can't be arsed.

And I bet they are all claiming they 'just wanted to leave the EU' for no reason whatsoever as well

Don't forget the late Bens Grandad who didn't like the new light bulbs.

 

[nicko31]

Legislation which is also going to royally piss off the US Government.

Be interesting to see who we end up allying ourselves to. We'll be a western country which has damaged relations with both the EU and the US. Who are we planning on turning to?

China? The Hong Kong issue might be a major sticking point there.
Russia? I mean who cares about state-sponsored terrorism killing British citizens on British soil really...

With every other government in my lifetime I'd have some confidence they would examine reality, get real and be pragmatic, we're boxed in and we need to take the least worst option. In the past month the world has changed

But we have a nationalist cult at the helm. The markets are starting to lose faith. Sterling is always a good measure of how things are doing, its down heavily this morning and are equities exposed to the domestic market.

 

[Chicken Run]

Well, I can think of one who seemed to have been taken in by all the 'free trade deals with the world', ready to go 1st Feb 2020 lies.







I guess the percentages would be split between

Those, like yourself, who naively believed the trade deals with the world lies
Those who believed we would stay in the single market
Those who believed it would stop illegal immigration
Those who believed the lie on the bus
Those who believed it would be 'the easiest deal in history'
Those who are simply racist
Those who believed 'we hold all the cards' in any future negotiations
Those who believed it would boost the economy
Those who believed there would be no border in the Irish sea
Those who wanted straight bananas
Those who believed 5 years ago that Turkey were imminently joining
Those who believed 5 years ago that the EU was going to collapse
Those who didn't understand the ballot paper and voted the wrong way

And I could keep going for hours , but really can't be arsed.

And I bet they are all claiming they 'just wanted to leave the EU' for no reason whatsoever as well

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Brilliant Work as usual xx

 

[Chicken Run]

In these dark days, we need a little cheering up and so we can all join in the fun, here's a guessing game for you (and I'll give you the answers, so you only have to guess the percentages).

What percentage of the 245 NSC posters that voted leave on this thread

Don't post on NSC any more
Don't use that Account any more and have set up and use a new one since the referendum
Use a number of different accounts
Post on NSC but never go near this thread
Come onto this thread, read it, give an occasional thumbs up, but won't post
Claim they didn't vote for Brexit
Constantly change the reasons they voted for Brexit
Are an illiterate, racist, scrounging, anti-semite, homophobic, holocaust denying, nazi moron

The answers are all here on NSC.

I think that's everyone covered, unless you can think of others

I don’t know, I’m not as clever as you nor could I ever hope to keep up with your forensic mind, I do think you’re good though xx

 

[Randy McNob]

Ultimately, "Remain" was essentially a homogenous group with a common agreed outcome (i.e. that nothing would change). Whereas "Leave" was a coalition of any manner of disparate visions, ideas and plans, which ranged from full EFTA and Customs Union to "let's nuke Brussels". They agreed they wanted to "Leave", but could never have agreed on what would happen once that had been achieved. Hence why we are where we are, because successive Ministers and Prime Ministers have taken "the path of least resistance" (because they couldn't manage to get everyone to agree on anything else) and we're as ****ed as we are.

Worth remembering even with a trade deal there will still be enormous upheaval in the new year, and utter chaos. In many ways it actually matters very little to most people whether there is a deal or not, the damage is already done.

I think even though the outcome puts us in worse position I think one thing we can agree, the government could have made the best of it, they could have agreed a deal by now for the sake of our economy and end uncertainty, yet you have people here trying to convince us that the government making a complete pigs ear of it is what they wanted

 

[Lever]

Ultimately, "Remain" was essentially a homogenous group with a common agreed outcome (i.e. that nothing would change). Whereas "Leave" was a coalition of any manner of disparate visions, ideas and plans, which ranged from full EFTA and Customs Union to "let's nuke Brussels". They agreed they wanted to "Leave", but could never have agreed on what would happen once that had been achieved. Hence why we are where we are, because successive Ministers and Prime Ministers have taken "the path of least resistance" (because they couldn't manage to get everyone to agree on anything else) and we're as ****ed as we are.

Worth remembering even with a trade deal there will still be enormous upheaval in the new year, and utter chaos. In many ways it actually matters very little to most people whether there is a deal or not, the damage is already done.

I think that sums it up really.... and if, as some claim, Cummings was a genius in manipulation over this, it was that he managed to keep the Leave lobby intact by avoiding debate on the Brexit options. So Leavers kind of get what they wanted (just to leave), but few seriously considered whether the next moves would meet with majority Leave approval.
It won't, but Leave and Remain voters alike are stuck with it.

 

[Chicken Run]

I think even though the outcome puts us in worse position I think one thing we can agree, the government could have made the best of it, they could have agreed a deal by now for the sake of our economy and end uncertainty, yet you have people here trying to convince us that the government making a complete pigs ear of it is what they wanted

I wonder how many MP’s who voted against May’s deals wish perhaps they had the benefit of hindsight.