[Politics] Brexit

[rogersix]

i agree with this in principle but given the mess the UK economy is in, this is another set back in the long list of set backs and will prove costly, especially as it’s a a sector the UK is reliant on; it’s not just “fat cat bankers” who will be impacted. You can’t just casually brush this off with a flippant comment.

fukum

 

[rogersix]

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I'll maybe pop back in six months or so to see if it's still working!

no fool like an old fool!

 

[rogersix]

History repeating itself Randy, many voters regretted their decision to stay in the European Community a few years after the 1975 referendum when difficult times hit the country.

Funny to think if social media had been around back then ... I wonder if any eurosceptics would be bothered/sad enough, to spend a vast amount of time berating pro EC voters for being gullible morons believing in European Community sunny uplands.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/polling-history-40-years-british-views-or-out-europe

given the chance, you would've voted truss!!!

 

[Randy McNob]

given the chance, you would've voted truss!!!

Well, Trussenomics and Brexit go hand in hand, so makes sense

 

[Pavilionaire]

Genuine question for any Brexiteers out there - At what point is Brexit going to deliver ANY tangible economic benefits to the UK?

We haven't concluded one trade deal that leaves in in a better place than we were but are now faced with additional red tape, delays and import / export duties.

We don't have the labour force to cover existing vacancies let alone take up additional jobs created by growth.

We can't control our borders, yet according to Migration Watch immigration numbers are at record levels, but are primarily students, family and resettlement cases.

 

[vegster]

Genuine question for any Brexiteers out there - At what point is Brexit going to deliver ANY tangible economic benefits to the UK?

We haven't concluded one trade deal that leaves in in a better place than we were but are now faced with additional red tape, delays and import / export duties.

We don't have the labour force to cover existing vacancies let alone take up additional jobs created by growth.

We can't control our borders, yet according to Migration Watch immigration numbers are at record levels, but are primarily students, family and resettlement cases.

You won't get any sort of sensible reply. We are at the stage where genuine questions are being asked about Brexit now, even on/in mainstream media but, we still have a long way to go before there is an actual acceptance of the scale of the disaster.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Genuine question for any Brexiteers out there - At what point is Brexit going to deliver ANY tangible economic benefits to the UK?

We haven't concluded one trade deal that leaves in in a better place than we were but are now faced with additional red tape, delays and import / export duties.

We don't have the labour force to cover existing vacancies let alone take up additional jobs created by growth.

We can't control our borders, yet according to Migration Watch immigration numbers are at record levels, but are primarily students, family and resettlement cases.

Firstly, it's probably worth pointing out that if a person only ever cared about economics or was happy with an endless supply of cheap labour suppressing wages for people they couldn't give a toss about, or wasn't overly bothered with an external power making laws and regulations that they could never really change then I can understand why that person would be still banging on about Brexit several years later.

UK sees fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers - Indeed

British wages are rising fastest in low-paid sectors where employers previously relied on workers from the European Union, new analysis from recruitment agency Indeed showed on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Secondly, of all the trade deals signed with countries around the world outside the EU, when the UK outsourced the negotiations to the EU (a powerful tade block?) how many have been renegotiated in a negative way reflecting our new supposedly diminished status?

Finally, people voting to control illegall immigration were unlikely to get what they want as illegal immigration is by definition incredibly difficult to restrict and control, see UK or EU external border, whereas people voting to reduce EU immigration preferring all people regardless of nationality race or religion to be subject to the same rules would be mainly happy?

 

[Randy McNob]

Firstly, it's probably worth pointing out that if a person only ever cared about economics or was happy with an endless supply of cheap labour suppressing wages for people they couldn't give a toss about, or wasn't overly bothered with an external power making laws and regulations that they could never really change then I can understand why that person would be still banging on about Brexit several years later.

It was not an external power, it was a union we were part of, with laws and regulations we helped make and decide. Stop lying

UK sees fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers - Indeed

British wages are rising fastest in low-paid sectors where employers previously relied on workers from the European Union, new analysis from recruitment agency Indeed showed on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Secondly, of all the trade deals signed with countries around the world outside the EU, when the UK outsourced the negotiations to the EU (a powerful tade block?) how many have been renegotiated in a negative way reflecting our new supposedly diminished status?

Finally, people voting to control illegall immigration were unlikely to get what they want as illegal immigration is by definition incredibly difficult to restrict and control, see UK or EU external border, whereas people voting to reduce EU immigration preferring all people regardless of nationality race or religion to be subject to the same rules would be mainly happy?

Leaving the EU meant moving the EU boundary to Calais and leaving joint agreements and shared arrangements on refugees, low and behold the current problems emerged since then

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Firstly, it's probably worth pointing out that if a person only ever cared about economics or was happy with an endless supply of cheap labour suppressing wages for people they couldn't give a toss about, or wasn't overly bothered with an external power making laws and regulations that they could never really change then I can understand why that person would be still banging on about Brexit several years later.

UK sees fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers - Indeed

British wages are rising fastest in low-paid sectors where employers previously relied on workers from the European Union, new analysis from recruitment agency Indeed showed on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Secondly, of all the trade deals signed with countries around the world outside the EU, when the UK outsourced the negotiations to the EU (a powerful tade block?) how many have been renegotiated in a negative way reflecting our new supposedly diminished status?

Finally, people voting to control illegall immigration were unlikely to get what they want as illegal immigration is by definition incredibly difficult to restrict and control, see UK or EU external border, whereas people voting to reduce EU immigration preferring all people regardless of nationality race or religion to be subject to the same rules would be mainly happy?

We had 750 trade deals with countries around the world whilst in the EU. Since we left just 71 have been signed, with an additional 35 copy and paste from what we had before.
The Australian deal has left our farmers in a real mess thanks to Liz Truss.

Brexit: What trade deals has the UK done so far?

Liz Truss has said a new US-UK trade deal is unlikely in the "short to medium term".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[macbeth]

You won't get any sort of sensible reply. We are at the stage where genuine questions are being asked about Brexit now, even on/in mainstream media but, we still have a long way to go before there is an actual acceptance of the scale of the disaster.

it's the seven stages of greif really. we're only just at denial.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Firstly, it's probably worth pointing out that if a person only ever cared about economics or was happy with an endless supply of cheap labour suppressing wages for people they couldn't give a toss about, or wasn't overly bothered with an external power making laws and regulations that they could never really change then I can understand why that person would be still banging on about Brexit several years later.

UK sees fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers - Indeed

British wages are rising fastest in low-paid sectors where employers previously relied on workers from the European Union, new analysis from recruitment agency Indeed showed on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Secondly, of all the trade deals signed with countries around the world outside the EU, when the UK outsourced the negotiations to the EU (a powerful tade block?) how many have been renegotiated in a negative way reflecting our new supposedly diminished status?

Finally, people voting to control illegall immigration were unlikely to get what they want as illegal immigration is by definition incredibly difficult to restrict and control, see UK or EU external border, whereas people voting to reduce EU immigration preferring all people regardless of nationality race or religion to be subject to the same rules would be mainly happy?

So your case for the defence of Brexit is an article from nearly a year ago quoting some minor subsidiary (HQ'd in Ireland) of an American recruitment agency saying 'fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers', followed by your normal factually incorrect waffle about what you think

And still absolutely no benefits.

You obviously put far more thought into this post than you did to the Brexit vote

Meanwhile, still not actually out from the EU's rules and regulations for two whole years, Project Fear continues apace

 

[sparkie]

Yes but a snapshot of public opinion taken over 6 years ago and frozen in time is more important.

That said, there was no mandate in that ancient snapshot to leave the Single Market, so rejoining the EEA is still possible even now.

 

[Lever]

So your case for the defence of Brexit is an article from nearly a year ago quoting some minor subsidiary (HQ'd in Ireland) of an American recruitment agency saying 'fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers', followed by your normal factually incorrect waffle about what you think

And still absolutely no benefits.

You obviously put far more thought into this post than you did to the Brexit vote

Meanwhile, still not actually out from the EU's rules and regulations for two whole years, Project Fear continues apace

I still believe that for Brexiters Brexit is an emotional/faith issue rather than a rational one and it is impossible to convince them with logic about matters of faith....

 

[WATFORD zero]

I still believe that for Brexiters Brexit is an emotional/faith issue rather than a rational one and it is impossible to convince them with logic about matters of faith....

I would agree, except for the fact that I'm not aware of any of the many faiths around the world that start with 'shoot yourself in both feet'

At least not any faith that has lasted more than the 20 months we've been out of the EU

 

[Wokeworrier]

Never mind..

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To be fair, a greater percentage traditionally supports 'bring back hanging'.

I don't like referenda/public opinion polls. Stands to reason that the majority of the public are drones, because dull work needs to be done. Would you ask the bloke down the road to check your health, your car, your financial planning? No.

And yet 'call me Dave' asked the bloke down the road (and me) if we should stay in the EU. How the f*** would he know? I didn't know. That why we have politicians - to make executive decisions on our behalf and, if they are crap, we boot them out.

Anyway... smell the freedom. It smells so free. I am free now. Free to be me. Free to do the things I always wanted to do but was unable to do, because of you, EU. I am independent. Richer. Have more options. More local fish. I can travel anywhere now. Buy things. And that.

 

[Lever]

Bank of England experts outline how Brexit destroyed the UK economy​

 

[sparkie]

If only British politicians got their acts together and started to fix the Brexit catastrophy.

What a terrible implementation of Brexit was chosen by them. Johnson's "oven ready" deal was rancid.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Rishi Sunak’s government reportedly ‘considering Swiss-style relationship with EU’

Senior figures in Rishi Sunak’s government are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss-style relationship with the European Union. Chancellor Jeremy Hunt signalled last week that Mr Sunak’s administration intends to break ranks with Boris Johnson’s approach by removing the majority of trade barriers with the bloc.

Now, according to The Sunday Times, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards a Swiss-style agreement with the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-brexit-swiss-deal-rishi-sunak-b2228861.html

From 'project fear', to 'project reality', to project 'quick reverse it', to project 'vassal state' and all in under 2 years

And it would still be the most positive thing that's happened since the referendum. You really couldn't make it up could you