[Politics] Brexit

[Stat Brother]

Britain should have a soft Brexit, with a deal like Switzerland. There should be no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
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Imagine if someone had taken it upon themselves to pedantically check every fact on this thread, from the beginning.
They'd be dead by now.

Today I've looked into 3 FACTS.

I had no knowledge of the FACT in question, I could have happily accepted all 3 as FACT.


Yet all 3 have been lies.

A glimpse of what our post-Brexit border could look like - Swiss cheese
https://www.independent.ie/business...er-could-look-like-swiss-cheese-35835833.html

Switzerland has borders and border patrols.

 

[Triggaaar]

Switzerland has a hard border with France though.

And with Austria, Italy and Germany?

 

[lawros left foot]

Well if my definition, which involves voting and that vote actually mattering, isn't how you think democracy works, then I dread to think what your definition involves.

Apparently you seem to think democracy involves voting for people who will then do what they want, regardless of what they said to convince you to elect them, and you can like it or lump it because they are in charge.

Personally, democracy for me is not only about the number of votes garnered, its about how the votes are earned. If a campaign is run on lies, falsehoods and baseless claims, then, no matter the result, it ain’t democracy for me.

 

[ManOfSussex]

And with Austria, Italy and Germany?

Yes. There's hard infrastructure on the border for checks which causes delays, as per Norway/Sweden, Bulgaria/Turkey, Poland/Ukraine etc and every other border in the world with differing customs and regulatory regimes.

 

[Seaber]

There will be another vote on Monday evening for an early election.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Imagine if someone had taken it upon themselves to pedantically check every fact on this thread, from the beginning.
They'd be dead by now.

Today I've looked into 3 FACTS.

I had no knowledge of the FACT in question, I could have happily accepted all 3 as FACT.


Yet all 3 have been lies.

A glimpse of what our post-Brexit border could look like - Swiss cheese
https://www.independent.ie/business...er-could-look-like-swiss-cheese-35835833.html

Switzerland has borders and border patrols.

And I've learnt THE FACT that the next time I need a few quid, simply fill my car with Salami and drive to Switzerland

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Britain should have a soft Brexit, with a deal like Switzerland. There should be no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
It doesn't.

That doesn't work.

We could have a Switzerland deal for Scotland, Wales, and England - with a Customs Boundary in the Irish Sea and massive new infrastructure at Dover.

But Northern Ireland will need a different arrangement. A sort of Busingen arrangement.

Good thread :

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1054320743734042624?s=19

 

[Stat Brother]

And I've learnt THE FACT that the next time I need a few quid, simply fill my car with Salami and drive to Switzerland

You mean it isn't always filled with salami?

You freak.

 

[Triggaaar]

There's certainly ways of leaving without a hard border (although a significant number of leave voters would insist that wasn't what they voted for)

It doesn't matter if some leave voters wanted a different type of Brexit. It goes without saying that they didn't all want the same type of Brexit.

but the point I was making is that the issues around NI/Ireland were bought up prior to referendum, in the national media by senior figures.

But, like so many other things, they were simply dismissed as 'project fear'.

If the remain camp had grasped how big an issue it was, we'd have all known more about it. Instead, they warned us of world war 3, so any mention of the Irish border got lost in all the bullshit they spouted.

 

[Triggaaar]

No-Deal Brexit in 2019 has drifted from 2.3 to 5 on Betfair in the last 48 hours. They don't have a market on No-Deal Brexit in 2020 as yet.

Thanks. So a No Deal Brexit is unlikely to happen this year. What does Betfair say is the most likely conclusion to all this?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm not wanting to place a bet, I'm just wanting to see what's likely to happen.

On what's likely to happen (as oppose to what I want).

I really can't see a way out of this clusterf*** without a second referendum and have thought this for a significant while. (I'm guessing via GE, referendum, GE).

Out of interest, do you have any ideas for a likely alternative way forward that would get through parliament etc ?

 

[Triggaaar]

Switzerland is in Schengen which involves Free Movement.

Yes, and we'd also need free movement between NI and Ireland.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It doesn't matter if some leave voters wanted a different type of Brexit. It goes without saying that they didn't all want the same type of Brexit.
If the remain camp had grasped how big an issue it was, we'd have all known more about it. Instead, they warned us of world war 3, so any mention of the Irish border got lost in all the bullshit they spouted.

If you are satirically using project fear terms, nice one centurion

I assume that's the case

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

33m people voted. 17m advised the government they wanted to leave the EU. They didn't say how, they didn't say they wanted the Irish Border arrangements changed, they didn't say they didn't want a deal. 16m advised the government they wanted to stay in the EU.

Parliament is our sovereign democracy, our constitution. You and others appear to want to ride roughshod over that 400 year principle in order to get what you want - even though what you want was never explicit.

So the government went out to a GE in 2017 for a mandate to enact a leaving of the EU that they believe the 17m wanted, and they failed to secure a majority. The people, your vote and mine split between parties offering hard and soft exits from the EU, some truthfully offering the chance to remain still.

The bare faced lies at the moment, easy to pick up on given they are things that only happened 2 weeks ago but being lied about at the dispatch box is from our PM.

Thank goodness for a sovereign Parliament, something Brexiters banged on about returning all power to from the EU. Almost ridiculous they now throw their toys out of their prams that it is enacting it's democratic purpose.

No one's throwing their toys out of the pram it must be pretty obvious to even people like you that the Democratic vote to Leave the EU is being blatantly ignored for personal agendas from MP's that want to stall the process and in the worse case scenario over turn it, if you think that's acceptable well i have no hope for you
Regards
DF

 

[ManOfSussex]

If the remain camp had grasped how big an issue it was, we'd have all known more about it. Instead, they warned us of world war 3, so any mention of the Irish border got lost in all the bullshit they spouted.

World War 3 was never mentioned by remain or David Cameron.

 

[Chicken Run]

Dear god please, please, tell me you aren't so stupid you're yet to work out Fascism and Communism are 2 sides of the same coin.

I was replying to blue3 not you you ignorant busy body [emoji23]

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

There will be another vote on Monday evening for an early election.

Ignored till Boris have asked for the extension and had it signed off I hope

 

[Stat Brother]

I was replying to blue3 not you you ignorant busy body [emoji23]

I'm not the one suggesting Fascism and Communism are polar opposites.
If I were you I'd be very careful about throwing around the word 'ignorant'.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Then i'm very sorry and can understand your frustration completely because you are being governed by a system which you obviously don't understand. I think I would probably be frustrated in your position.

If you want to read up about it, it's called Parliamentary democracy. Hope this helps

Arrogant prick
Regards
DF

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Bugger! We've got rid of the wrong Johnson.