[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

My dad was a diabetic on three injections a day, if we was alive today he would laugh about all the crap that's written. Nobody is going to be without Insulin, so lets stop this scaremongering.

If there’s no risk, why are the government even mentioning the stockpiling of medicines then? Or is this Department of Brexit scaremongering?

 

[Berty23]

Cowards way out of what ?? If it's WTO because the EU negotiating team are stubborn so be it. Cowards are the ones bending over backwards to sabotage at every turn like you and others on here.

I think you spelt "are representing the interest of their members as we would have expected them to do if France left" as stubborn.

Do any leavers think that if France had left the reaction would not have been "**** em. Their choice, we will send everything through Holland"

 

[vegster]

Cowards way out of what ?? If it's WTO because the EU negotiating team are stubborn so be it. Cowards are the ones bending over backwards to sabotage at every turn like you and others on here.

I'd love to know how I have " Sabotaged " what was described as being the easiest deal in the world to make ? I've not had any contact, formal or otherwise with either negotiating team ? I think you just bought the dream and now reality is biting and it's all unravelling in front of your eyes you are desperate to find something and someone to blame.

Time to wake up to the fact that it is extremely difficult to extricate ourselves from 40 odd years of co-operation without paying for it in many more ways than one.

 

[WATFORD zero]

My dad was a diabetic on three injections a day, if we was alive today he would laugh about all the crap that's written. Nobody is going to be without Insulin, so lets stop this scaremongering.

Of course nobody is going to go without Insulin. Just like we are not going to go WTO 'no deal'.

But you do realise that it is part of the Government's Brexit plan to threaten to go WTO 'no deal' in the hope that the EU will back down and take their 'pick and mix' plan instead. A sort of 'if we commit economic suicide, it's going to be bad for you too' approach. It's also to try and keep a certain percentage of leave voters happy.

Here is a prime example of someone who believes it

If it's WTO because the EU negotiating team are stubborn so be it.

It's the Government that's scaremongering

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A question to the Brexiteers. Do you still believe “ they need us more than we need them?”

 

[Hampster Gull]

A question to the Brexiteers. Do you still believe “ they need us more than we need them?”

And the response

 

[ManOfSussex]

My dad was a diabetic on three injections a day, if we was alive today he would laugh about all the crap that's written. Nobody is going to be without Insulin, so lets stop this scaremongering.

I agree. I was just reading in The Sunday Times about plans for the army to be used to deliver food, medicine and fuel outside of the south east in a no deal scenario, supermarkets warning their suppliers to implement contingency planning and the much loved and very popular Conservative and Unionist constituency MP for Hastings & Rye, aka Ms Amber Rudd, comparing Brexiteers to climate change deniers and I thought to myself - if only people had your wisdom on all this and if only The Sunday Times could do what Andrea Leadsom pointed out to Emily Maitlis off Newsnight last year and be 'a bit patriotic' then everything would be irie.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I agree. I was just reading in The Sunday Times about plans for the army to be used to deliver food, medicine and fuel outside of the south east in a no deal scenario, supermarkets warning their suppliers to implement contingency planning and the much loved and very popular Conservative and Unionist constituency MP for Hastings & Rye, aka Ms Amber Rudd, comparing Brexiteers to climate change deniers and I thought to myself - if only people had your wisdom on all this and if only The Sunday Times could do what Andrea Leadsom pointed out to Emily Maitlis off Newsnight last year and be 'a bit patriotic' then everything would be irie.

I'm not usually a reader of the Sunday Times but I saw this too. Didn't make for cheerful reading! They also floated the idea that some Leavers - including Michael Gove - might be looking at (a nuanced) Norway option...……….Surely even the most ardent Brexiteer must be getting just a teeny bit concerned at the way things are panning out? (On second thoughts it seems that for many the worse the predictions come the more they dig in their heels and look to blame - well just about anyone really.)

 

[beorhthelm]

If there’s no risk, why are the government even mentioning the stockpiling of medicines then? Or is this Department of Brexit scaremongering?

is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player, because a journo asks? "minister are you stockpiling food and medicine", "we are not stockpiling and we will ensure adequate supplies". ministers answer the question put to them.
fact is leaving (if it even happens) will not stop us importing anything. unless there are plans for the French, Belgiuans and Dutch close their ports, deploy the combined naval fleets of the EU to blockade us and attack merchant ships on the high seas.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

"is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player"

With respect it's just a bit more serious than that.

 

[beorhthelm]

"is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player"

With respect it's just a bit more serious than that.

you know what i meant: you answer the questions put to you.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player, because a journo asks? "minister are you stockpiling food and medicine", "we are not stockpiling and we will ensure adequate supplies". fact is leaving (if it even happens) will not stop us importing anything. unless there are plans for the French, Belgiuans and Dutch close their ports, deploy the combined naval fleets of the EU to blockade us and attack merchant ships on the high seas.

But leaving without a deal will clearly raise the risk of increasing costs and causing delays. These items alone will cause issues to suPply whilst not necessarily stopping supply.. And I think I’ve discussed imports and parallel imports with you before.

At the moment there is, in effect, no border for medical supplies from the EU. Will the British government just wave stuff through when the draw bridge is raised?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player, because a journo asks? "minister are you stockpiling food and medicine", "we are not stockpiling and we will ensure adequate supplies". .

Sadly to some of the privileged Tory MPs it is just a game like this.

 

[ManOfSussex]

is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player, because a journo asks? "minister are you stockpiling food and medicine", "we are not stockpiling and we will ensure adequate supplies". fact is leaving (if it even happens) will not stop us importing anything. unless there are plans for the French, Belgiuans and Dutch close their ports, deploy the combined naval fleets of the EU to blockade us and attack merchant ships on the high seas.

It's good to know there wont be any delays/custom checks/hold ups/chaos etc at our ports and we can continue to import everything we need exactly as we're doing now in a nice, timely fashion and all this contingency planning by The Government, The NHS, businesses et al is just #projectfear by remoaners. If only they'd come onto a Brighton & Hove Albion football forum and read the learned wisdom and opinion of leave voters such as yourself, and be a bit more patriotic too, they'd realise the error of their ways.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

I've enjoyed, over the last week or so, the headbangers attempts to ship the blame away from themselves for voting for this mess and getting exactly what they voted for. Us all leaving the EU.

'I blame the politicians' 'I blame those who voted remain' 'I blame the saboteurs'

I think you all might need to look a little closer to home, uncomfortable as it may be. Makes all of the 'will of the people' nonsense look particularly hollow when the 'people' can't even take responsibility for what they have voted for.

 

[beorhthelm]

But leaving without a deal will clearly raise the risk of increasing costs and causing delays. These items alone will cause issues to suPply whilst not necessarily stopping supply.. And I think I’ve discussed imports and parallel imports with you before.

At the moment there is, in effect, no border for medical supplies from the EU. Will the British government just wave stuff through when the draw bridge is raised?

leaving would raise problems with exports, and probably delays and costs due to new tariff from EU. this has been deliberatly twisted to assume it would be the same for imports. yes, the government could wave goods through to prevent any problems, at least we should accept this possibility, rather than assume worst case alternatives.

would the government actually stop goods from the EU? would the EU stop shipping goods to UK? ask yourself honestly if you believe either of those things then assess the likelihood of shortages.

and im done. theres been some interesting debates but in general its just toxic and many would like to believe the worst in everything, insult rather that discuss, on both sides.

 

[Two Professors]

Much is being made of the solidarity of the 27 countries left in the EU once we Brexit.If we go WTO,and hard customs borders,Irish exports would totally break down after the first couple of days and the whole country would be down the pan in weeks.So Ireland needs us more than we need them,ergo the whole EU.
As for the scare on insulin,the USA are the largest manufacturer so another load of crap.I expect Rawlins is a bit miffed cos his EMA chums have moved.Any sensible countries,like Germany,who want to trade with us are now talking bi-lateral trade deals.The rest can take a running jump.WTO ROOLS,OK

 

[Berty23]

leaving would raise problems with exports, and probably delays and costs due to new tariff from EU. this has been deliberatly twisted to assume it would be the same for imports. yes, the government could wave goods through to prevent any problems, at least we should accept this possibility, rather than assume worst case alternatives.

would the government actually stop goods from the EU? would the EU stop shipping goods to UK? ask yourself honestly if you believe either of those things then assess the likelihood of shortages.

and im done. theres been some interesting debates but in general its just toxic and many would like to believe the worst in everything, insult rather that discuss, on both sides.

So are you saying that lots of empty ships will leave the U.K. To go back to pick up imports? The last few days has shown how a tiny issue with trains, boats and planes being in the wrong place causes massively delays.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

yes, the government could wave goods through to prevent any problems, at least we should accept this possibility, rather than assume worst case alternatives. .

Are you seriously suggesting the government just wave through pharmaceutical and medical supplies with no check on origin, destination and all the storage, maintenance and audit etc which goes with a tightly regulated industry? Jesus. It’s the most regulated industry in the world for a very good reason; it’s the U.K. not the Wild West.

I’m sorry, but your post shows complete ignorance.

 

[ManOfSussex]

leaving would raise problems with exports, and probably delays and costs due to new tariff from EU. this has been deliberatly twisted to assume it would be the same for imports. yes, the government could wave goods through to prevent any problems, at least we should accept this possibility, rather than assume worst case alternatives.

would the government actually stop goods from the EU? would the EU stop shipping goods to UK? ask yourself honestly if you believe either of those things then assess the likelihood of shortages.

and im done. theres been some interesting debates but in general its just toxic and many would like to believe the worst in everything, insult rather that discuss, on both sides.

If we end up waiving goods through from Germany and Belgium in a no deal scenario though, we've also got to waive goods through from the likes of Guinea-Bissau and Botswana. I only had dysentery and lost 2 stone on each occasion twice from Batswana produced meat though, so I'm sure everyone else will be fine too. Do you remember the Centurion Test Match in 2009? Graham Onions stoically batting out at 9 wickets down to see England to a draw - I was literally ****ing blood on the 5th day watching it on Supersport due to a dodgy Nandos..