[Politics] Brexit

[Hampster Gull]

"is it a bit like the football press conference conference where the manager says he isnt leave/selling a key player"

With respect it's just a bit more serious than that.

Not for those who are not very imaginative and are willing to gamble all on the hope that it might be better in, what did Rees Smog say, 50 years

 

[Hampster Gull]

leaving would raise problems with exports, and probably delays and costs due to new tariff from EU. this has been deliberatly twisted to assume it would be the same for imports. yes, the government could wave goods through to prevent any problems, at least we should accept this possibility, rather than assume worst case alternatives.

would the government actually stop goods from the EU? would the EU stop shipping goods to UK? ask yourself honestly if you believe either of those things then assess the likelihood of shortages.

and im done. theres been some interesting debates but in general its just toxic and many would like to believe the worst in everything, insult rather that discuss, on both sides.

Don’t drop out now the going gets tough for the country, you lot got us into this. I’m not in the camp that sees the supply chain break down but for sure sensible to plan for it. But let’s assume that world though, do Brexiters really think the U.K. will just wave vans through? Many issues to that but I will raise one. Isn’t the risk they will be full of immigrants, the hot topic for brexiteers. As every days goes by more and more evidence comes out to show that this is a shambles, Brexit was built on sand, there were no credible and in depth plans to make this work. Best we park for 10 years and come back to decide if we want to do this when you all have your house in order

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Am listening to Nigel Farrage on LBC. Bloody Establishment-dominated media!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well now that Theresa May's pick and mix has been turned down by the EU and it is obviously too late to implement any sort of 'No deal' does anyone from any side have any serious suggestions as to what we should do next ?

 

[Two Professors]

Well now that Theresa May's pick and mix has been turned down by the EU and it is obviously too late to implement any sort of 'No deal' does anyone from any side have any serious suggestions as to what we should do next ?

Why do you think it's too late for No Deal?We only need bi-lateral deals with 5 of the 27 countries and the groundwork has already been laid,so as per usual you are talking drivel.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Why do you think it's too late for No Deal?We only need bi-lateral deals with 5 of the 27 countries and the groundwork has already been laid,so as per usual you are talking drivel.

Is it drivel? Are you saying that individual EU members can sign bilateral trade deals with a non-member? (...that for example, the UK could have struck a trade deal with any country it wanted without leaving the EU?)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why do you think it's too late for No Deal?We only need bi-lateral deals with 5 of the 27 countries and the groundwork has already been laid,so as per usual you are talking drivel.

No deal will never get through parliament. It’s a waste of time pretending otherwise.

 

[Two Professors]

Is it drivel? Are you saying that individual EU members can sign bilateral trade deals with a non-member? (...that for example, the UK could have struck a trade deal with any country it wanted without leaving the EU?)

I do recall certain posters on here cheering about France getting an order from the Australian Forces for submarines instead of the UK,so trade is obviously available under certain conditions.Brexit was never only about trade anyway,except in remainer minds.Leaving the EU superstate,and it's inflexible justice and bureaucratic systems was more than enough.

 

[Two Professors]

No deal will never get through parliament. It’s a waste of time pretending otherwise.

Perhaps not with the MP's there at present.A fresh election fought on Leave/Remain lines would change the scene quite drastically.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

http://www.france24.com/en/20180729-eu-trying-swindle-uk-brexit-talks-report

 

[A1X]

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[A1X]

http://www.france24.com/en/20180729-eu-trying-swindle-uk-brexit-talks-report

Wait, the far right said that? Well the far right never lie.

 

[A1X]

My dad was a diabetic on three injections a day, if we was alive today he would laugh about all the crap that's written. Nobody is going to be without Insulin, so lets stop this scaremongering.

All the insulin used in the UK is made in the EU. All of it. There is not a drop of it produced in the UK. Under No Deal, that ends. Literally overnight.

Either you genuinely don't understand how this all works, or you're clinging to unicornism.

 

[Two Professors]

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The Army has always provided back-up to the civil power,so what is your point?Usually when striking unions cause risk to life,like fire brigades,power supplies,refuse collectors,or terrorists like the IRA damage infrastructure.Would you rather they weren't there,so you could delight in other peoples misery?With their ever expanding production of insulin,I'm sure the US manufacturers would take up the slack in supply.It would just add more workers to the ever-expanding EU dole queue.

 

[portslade seagull]

Don’t drop out now the going gets tough for the country, you lot got us into this. I’m not in the camp that sees the supply chain break down but for sure sensible to plan for it. But let’s assume that world though, do Brexiters really think the U.K. will just wave vans through? Many issues to that but I will raise one. Isn’t the risk they will be full of immigrants, the hot topic for brexiteers. As every days goes by more and more evidence comes out to show that this is a shambles, Brexit was built on sand, there were no credible and in depth plans to make this work. Best we park for 10 years and come back to decide if we want to do this when you all have your house in order

How many more times we didn't cause this. You need to look closer to remain castle and for King Cameron who fought a bungled misleading campaign so sure it was already won. The majority didn't fall for all the remain lies of being 4.5k each worse off or millions losing there jobs. Once defeat was confirmed him and his cronies couldn't get out of dodge quick enough.
So sure he was of winning he never put any contingency in place for a out vote.

 

[larus]

How many more times we didn't cause this. You need to look closer to remain castle and for King Cameron who fought a bungled misleading campaign so sure it was already won. The majority didn't fall for all the remain lies of being 4.5k each worse off or millions losing there jobs. Once defeat was confirmed him and his cronies couldn't get out of dodge quick enough.
So sure he was of winning he never put any contingency in place for a out vote.

It’s just a simple, easy cheap shot. The voters voted leave. However, the establishment are mainly remain. Lots of MPs, most of the HoL and civil servants are. So, it’s remainers who are ‘implementing’ Brexit and, let’s be honest, making a complete f*** up of it.

No preparation for WTO and no threats back to the EU to say if you play nasty, then so will we. The Remainer negotiators have been incompetent.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Heard a German 'expert' (oops 2 evils in one package to some of us in these parts) talk today. She was honest about the dependency of the German car industry on the UK market. But she was of the opinion that their collective view is that the single market prevails. She also mentioned that the German government did seem to listen to its industry rather more than the UK government listens to ours. It seems that apropos the negotiations the 'other side' don't (yet at least) show much sign of cracking.
Perhaps they are just good poker players?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

It’s just a simple, easy cheap shot. The voters voted leave. However, the establishment are mainly remain. Lots of MPs, most of the HoL and civil servants are. So, it’s remainers who are ‘implementing’ Brexit and, let’s be honest, making a complete f*** up of it.

No preparation for WTO and no threats back to the EU to say if you play nasty, then so will we. The Remainer negotiators have been incompetent.

Wow - I can almost hear the Betrayal narrative being constructed. But hang on: David Davis was our lead negotiator and Dom Raab is now, Bexiteers both. Let's be honest about this, we can agree that the negotiations have been a shambles but a pretty big factor has been that even the Brexiteers are not totally agreed on the form the Brexit should take (eg leaving with or without a deal) plus they are playing with a weak hand. In short the 'it' that we are all meant to 'get on with' is a very tricky thing to understand, conceptualise and deliver - and that's being generous.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/29/no-deal-brexit-food-supply-chain-crisis

Recommended for a fuller understanding of the supply chain issue for food if a no-deal.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Why do you think it's too late for No Deal?We only need bi-lateral deals with 5 of the 27 countries and the groundwork has already been laid,so as per usual you are talking drivel.

What on earth are you talking about ?

5 days ago we and the EU submitted what we want our new WTO trading terms to look like to the rest of the WTO.

I know you don't do detail, so in summary we said

You remember the deals you negotiated with us as part of the EU, one of the largest trading blocs in the world ? Well we are now leaving, are a far smaller economy, but would like those same deals please. (You may be able to guess where this is heading).

Surprisingly, the EU's submission is a little different.

Now what happens is the rest of the WTO membership have 90 days to raise their objections and, as WTO members, they all have a right to say whether their trade would be affected. US, Brazil and New Zealand have already said they don't agree due to the fact that the EU and the UK share a quota system that limits imports of sensitive goods like beef, lamb and sugar. The UK cannot simply replicate these quotas and has proposed to split them with the EU based on historical trade flows. The EU has proposed otherwise.

I would expect the majority of other members to also take the opportunity to renegotiate with the now far smaller UK. All of this means that if and when they object and ask for a better deal, Britain will be simultaneously negotiating a trade deal with the EU and the various WTO members. Luckily for us, we won't have to negotiate with all 164 members as most have grouped together into trading blocs to give themselves more negotiating power. (After all, who would be stupid enough to try and negotiate on their own )

Looks like the 2nd easiest trade deal in history, doesn't it

*edit* I did think Mauritania traded as an individual state under WTO. However, according to the WTO, Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States, and it has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members. Which means we will be the only country trading solely under WTO terms.

When they start laying Tarmac at Dover, I'll believe that preparations for a WTO 'no deal' Brexit have started. Until then, anyone who manages to give the subject more than 30 seconds attention will realise it's obviously bullshit designed to indulge and gratify the naive and simple. (And I think the EU may already be ahead of us on that particular line of negotiation).