[Politics] Brexit

[The Rivet]

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Wow!

 

[yxee]

It's not so much the lies that are making me vote remain per-se, but more the fact that the leave campaign cannot, or simply refuse, to TRUTHFULLY tell me what life will be like if we vote leave. If I don't know that, I ain't gonna vote for it. I know what life is like remaining in the EU, and better that than something I don't know.

It'll be the same except we have a proper immigration system and control of our lawmaking process. What are you expecting people to be untruthful about, that gremlins will come and attack us ??!!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But what if the Leavers miraculously came up with a coherent arguement to leave?

Anyway, I hope it was a big fat Merkel sized X by REMAIN

Having literally just spoken to a poor Canadian lad who is running a small business here and is super stressed about his visa application which has now taken 6 months to process I am fully in. I don't want that crap for my fellow country men; I want them to have opportunities.

You hope correct.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I'm sure I'll end up saying the same thing in 40 years too.

Maybe you will maybe you'll have left for pastures new,for Brighton's sake let's hope not.

 

[cunning fergus]

Corbyn says workers rights will be protected by the EU and the real threat is the Conservative government. That's the same Conservative government that is vigorously supporting his Remain stance. Something doesn't stack up.

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What Corbyn said about voting in on the 23rd June and then campaigning for reform of the EU on the 24th June is the key here.

Cameron wants the EU corporatist status quo, Corbyn wants a version of the EU that would reject their domination, so despite being diametrically opposed to what they want the EU to be they still support the same outcome.

One of them has to be wrong...............so, on the basis that Cameron is the current PM the reality is that a vote for remain is a vote for Cameron and his Tory vision of EU wide free markets, zero hour contracts, institutional privatisation, TTIP and austerity.

Those who think otherwise are not dealing with this political reality...........they are deluded fools.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Too late for me to change my mind as I've already voted.

Me too and i've cancelled you out my Euro loving,Labour activist.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Suppose it is a remain,i think it will be there, will not be a need for a 2020 General election,Corbyn is unelectable and everything is so wonderfully wonderful in the EU the economy is fine it's all good and dandy....job done....

Relieving me of witholding my Conservative 'protest' vote for the way Dave Cameron has gone about proceedings during this referendum.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Do you think the EU politicians are surprised at how much genuine antipathy exists towards the EU in this country? I mean the public have been fed every horror story possible about the Brexit impact and to date there are still large numbers of people saying "you know what, I would still rather get out". If the EU worked at all on any level, this should have been an absolute shoo-in for Remain. The fact that its not speaks volumes.

 

[jaghebby]

It'll be the same except we have a proper immigration system and control of our lawmaking process. What are you expecting people to be untruthful about, that gremlins will come and attack us ??!!

Thing is only about 10% - 14% of acts of parliament are directly related to EU legislation with the lower figure directly enacting EU requirements and the remaining 4% being influence by the EU therefore it seems like we do have control of our lawmaking process. So Brexit claims we don't are a complete fallacy and really don't stand up to scrutiny! Secondly Brexiteers do seem, to me any way, to be mixing up the courts. Firstly the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) ensures EU law is interpreted and applied the same in every EU country; ensuring countries and EU institutions abide by EU law. Then there is the European Court of Human Rights that is not part of the EU. It hears applications alleging that a contracting state has breached one or more of the human rights provisions concerning civil and political rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights and its protocols. The convention currently has something like 47 states as part of the Council Of Europe and its more than likely that the missed informed Brexiteers (the numpties) are getting hot under the collar about this but this has nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Jim in the West]

It'll be the same except we have a proper immigration system and control of our lawmaking process. What are you expecting people to be untruthful about, that gremlins will come and attack us ??!!

It most definitely will NOT be the same - even the Leave campaign admits there will be a material economic shock - no one knows how long this will last, but it could easily be lengthy. It will take a VERY long time to renegotiate all the trade deals, and the rest of the EU will almost certainly shove us out when the two year deadline elapses. So, come Summer 2018 we will be out of the EU with no negotiated trade deals. 45% of our exports are to the EU, and all the companies concerned (and hence employees of those companies) will be negatively impacted. Scotland will have another Referendum, vote to leave the UK, and stay in the EU. Who knows what will happen politically after that. There's a good chance the far right of the Tory party will form a government, and then the problems will REALLY begin. Full scale privatisation of the NHS, break-up of the BBC, tax cuts for the rich, repealing most of the labour laws that protect the average Joe....the list goes on. This is the problem - Vote Leave means we run the real risk of being governed by the loony Boris/Gove public school Oxbridge cohort with ZERO understanding of life for 99% of the population. Added to which we will lose our freedom of movement within the EU, and have to accept our lowly position in the world as will befit a nation with 1% of the population. We will be Billy No Mates with no power and no political leverage. We will probably have more control of our immigration, but that will be a very small crumb of comfort. And lawmaking will be controlled by Boris, Gove and their cronies - good luck to anyone who prefers that to the current position!

 

[lawros left foot]

It most definitely will NOT be the same - even the Leave campaign admits there will be a material economic shock - no one knows how long this will last, but it could easily be lengthy. It will take a VERY long time to renegotiate all the trade deals, and the rest of the EU will almost certainly shove us out when the two year deadline elapses. So, come Summer 2018 we will be out of the EU with no negotiated trade deals. 45% of our exports are to the EU, and all the companies concerned (and hence employees of those companies) will be negatively impacted. Scotland will have another Referendum, vote to leave the UK, and stay in the EU. Who knows what will happen politically after that. There's a good chance the far right of the Tory party will form a government, and then the problems will REALLY begin. Full scale privatisation of the NHS, break-up of the BBC, tax cuts for the rich, repealing most of the labour laws that protect the average Joe....the list goes on. This is the problem - Vote Leave means we run the real risk of being governed by the loony Boris/Gove public school Oxbridge cohort with ZERO understanding of life for 99% of the population. Added to which we will lose our freedom of movement within the EU, and have to accept our lowly position in the world as will befit a nation with 1% of the population. We will be Billy No Mates with no power and no political leverage. We will probably have more control of our immigration, but that will be a very small crumb of comfort. And lawmaking will be controlled by Boris, Gove and their cronies - good luck to anyone who prefers that to the current position!

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I agree with every word

 

[beorhthelm]

i see, vote leave is a vote for NHS privitisation? on other hand, vote remain means having TIPP, which will lead to the privitisation of the NHS.

its got to sharks jumping sharks now.

 

[Jim in the West]

Do you think the EU politicians are surprised at how much genuine antipathy exists towards the EU in this country? I mean the public have been fed every horror story possible about the Brexit impact and to date there are still large numbers of people saying "you know what, I would still rather get out". If the EU worked at all on any level, this should have been an absolute shoo-in for Remain. The fact that its not speaks volumes.

Surely it's the other way around. Given that just about everyone in the country has some level of suspicion/concern/antipathy towards the EU, it is remarkable that more than half the population still appears ready to vote Remain. Apart from the economic arguments, the only logical explanation is that the majority understand that the alternative is NOT a nice cosy GB, but a country governed by a few elite who have zero love of the NHS or any other public institution. The fear of Boris & Gove is greater than the fear of Merkel

 

[pastafarian]

It most definitely will NOT be the same - even the Leave campaign admits there will be a material economic shock - no one knows how long this will last, but it could easily be lengthy. It will take a VERY long time to renegotiate all the trade deals, and the rest of the EU will almost certainly shove us out when the two year deadline elapses. So, come Summer 2018 we will be out of the EU with no negotiated trade deals. 45% of our exports are to the EU, and all the companies concerned (and hence employees of those companies) will be negatively impacted. Scotland will have another Referendum, vote to leave the UK, and stay in the EU. Who knows what will happen politically after that. There's a good chance the far right of the Tory party will form a government, and then the problems will REALLY begin. Full scale privatisation of the NHS, break-up of the BBC, tax cuts for the rich, repealing most of the labour laws that protect the average Joe....the list goes on. This is the problem - Vote Leave means we run the real risk of being governed by the loony Boris/Gove public school Oxbridge cohort with ZERO understanding of life for 99% of the population. Added to which we will lose our freedom of movement within the EU, and have to accept our lowly position in the world as will befit a nation with 1% of the population. We will be Billy No Mates with no power and no political leverage. We will probably have more control of our immigration, but that will be a very small crumb of comfort. And lawmaking will be controlled by Boris, Gove and their cronies - good luck to anyone who prefers that to the current position!

You forgot plague of locusts and magnetic polar shift

 

[Albumen]

it most definitely will not be the same - even the leave campaign admits there will be a material economic shock - no one knows how long this will last, but it could easily be lengthy. It will take a very long time to renegotiate all the trade deals, and the rest of the eu will almost certainly shove us out when the two year deadline elapses. So, come summer 2018 we will be out of the eu with no negotiated trade deals. 45% of our exports are to the eu, and all the companies concerned (and hence employees of those companies) will be negatively impacted. Scotland will have another referendum, vote to leave the uk, and stay in the eu. Who knows what will happen politically after that. There's a good chance the far right of the tory party will form a government, and then the problems will really begin. Full scale privatisation of the nhs, break-up of the bbc, tax cuts for the rich, repealing most of the labour laws that protect the average joe....the list goes on. This is the problem - vote leave means we run the real risk of being governed by the loony boris/gove public school oxbridge cohort with zero understanding of life for 99% of the population. Added to which we will lose our freedom of movement within the eu, and have to accept our lowly position in the world as will befit a nation with 1% of the population. We will be billy no mates with no power and no political leverage. We will probably have more control of our immigration, but that will be a very small crumb of comfort. And lawmaking will be controlled by boris, gove and their cronies - good luck to anyone who prefers that to the current position!

..... Boom

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Your right. You got to look for the information yourself. Today RT news featured the protests in France, featured the breakdown in communication between the German and Turkish governments, this all shapes the EU, we wouldn't get this news on the BBC. All we get is poncey crap about Corbyn and workers rights, which we had before the EU anyway. If people are basing their vote because membership fee quoted might be wrong that is pathetic, because they are completely missing the point and have not looked deep enough In to the EU

This is really great. In the space of a few minutes we have had claims from one Brexit quarter that the British media is pro-Remain and EU-funded and from another that if you really want to find unbiased journalism you should watch a Russian television station.

This sort of stuff simply makes more people likely to vote Remain.

 

[Steve in Japan]

It most definitely will NOT be the same - even the Leave campaign admits there will be a material economic shock - no one knows how long this will last, but it could easily be lengthy. It will take a VERY long time to renegotiate all the trade deals, and the rest of the EU will almost certainly shove us out when the two year deadline elapses. So, come Summer 2018 we will be out of the EU with no negotiated trade deals. 45% of our exports are to the EU, and all the companies concerned (and hence employees of those companies) will be negatively impacted. Scotland will have another Referendum, vote to leave the UK, and stay in the EU. Who knows what will happen politically after that. There's a good chance the far right of the Tory party will form a government, and then the problems will REALLY begin. Full scale privatisation of the NHS, break-up of the BBC, tax cuts for the rich, repealing most of the labour laws that protect the average Joe....the list goes on. This is the problem - Vote Leave means we run the real risk of being governed by the loony Boris/Gove public school Oxbridge cohort with ZERO understanding of life for 99% of the population. Added to which we will lose our freedom of movement within the EU, and have to accept our lowly position in the world as will befit a nation with 1% of the population. We will be Billy No Mates with no power and no political leverage. We will probably have more control of our immigration, but that will be a very small crumb of comfort. And lawmaking will be controlled by Boris, Gove and their cronies - good luck to anyone who prefers that to the current position!

Could write something not dissimilar for when the EU implodes.

I'm quite surprised that you so firmly believe that a country of our size cannot be successfully independent. Is it because of the complexity of the unwinding process? Or because you believe nation states can only survive these days as part of a bigger group?

 

[pastafarian]

i see, vote leave is a vote for NHS privitisation? on other hand, vote remain means having TIPP, which will lead to the privitisation of the NHS.

its got to sharks jumping sharks now.

it also appears the remainers think the tories will be in power forever ...........corbyn must be a waste of space.i suppose

 

[The Rivet]

it also appears the remainers think the tories will be in power forever ...........corbyn must be a waste of space.i suppose

Well Corbyn is rather a waste of space isn't he? Or that's certainly how it's appearing right now.

 

[beorhthelm]

Cameron wants the EU corporatist status quo, Corbyn wants a version of the EU that would reject their domination, so despite being diametrically opposed to what they want the EU to be they still support the same outcome.

thats because the EU is all things to all people. actually, the EU isnt specifically corporatist, its bureacratic and open to lobbying. so any group that can raise a voice can wield large influence, be that companies, NGOs, policy institutes, trade unions special interest groups or anything resumbling a guild. the individual is discarded, there's no room for the views of the people. so i can see how it suits left and right a like even if they have different objectives.