[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Even if the additional wealth that EU migrants bring only just covers the cost of additional hospitals, etc this is only a miniscule part of the economic debate. The wider, and far more important, issue is the wealth generated by us all as members of the EU. I know every single forecast has been rubbished by Vote Leave, but the consensus amongst the vast majority of economists is that we will be far, far better off remaining in. The loss of wealth, job opportunities, etc as a consequence of leaving will be huge. In a Leave scenario we simply won't have the money to build hospitals, schools, etc. I really wish we could look at the wider picture, which is far more important than immigration!

No.

Wealth is not the most important issue, it never has been, its what all those with vested interests with so much money at stake want you to believe, so well done for buying into this notion hook line and sinker.
The wealth/economy question is being force fed endlessly by the Remain side to avoid the central core question.
The desperate can spout "maybe" economic predictions from the same people that usually get them wrong until they are blue in the face, but ultimately they are just wasting their own time.

The wider and far more important question has always been a very simple and fundamental one. It is being however lost in the fog of war.



Do you want us to be an independent, self governing, democratic nation that determines its own destiny and runs its own affairs.
Yes or No

 

[Maldini]

I'm not quite sure which countries are benefiting from being in the EU. The UK?We have growth albeit not as much as we'd like but is that down to the EU.At the same time we are taking in record numbers of migrants. Italy,Spain,Greece are all in a bad way.Poland/Bulgaria/Romania/Latvia? Yes from the fact many of their citizens have been able to get work abroad but no from the point of view these countries are losing many of their hard working young.The EU is not insulated from the rest of the world so we still had a crash in 2008.So who benefits.

 

[heathgate]

Corbyn says workers rights will be protected by the EU and the real threat is the Conservative government. That's the same Conservative government that is vigorously supporting his Remain stance. Something doesn't stack up.

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[heathgate]

I'm not quite sure which countries are benefiting from being in the EU. The UK?We have growth albeit not as much as we'd like but is that down to the EU.At the same time we are taking in record numbers of migrants. Italy,Spain,Greece are all in a bad way.Poland/Bulgaria/Romania/Latvia? Yes from the fact many of their citizens have been able to get work abroad but no from the point of view these countries are losing many of their hard working young.The EU is not insulated from the rest of the world so we still had a crash in 2008.So who benefits.

Large corporations benefit ... that's it really... the rest of the fluffy social stuff is just that.. fluffy.

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[GT49er]

Corbyn says workers rights will be protected by the EU and the real threat is the Conservative government. That's the same Conservative government that is vigorously supporting his Remain stance. Something doesn't stack up.

It stacks up perfectly. Corbyn and the government exist in the Westminster Bubble, where they all have well-paid jobs, loads of 'expenses' and, should the rabble outside oust them at the next election, the availability of an alternative trough in Brussels, or a reward - maybe a directorship or two - from their grateful chums in the financial sector (who are also very well off).

It just shows how out of touch the Westminster Bubble people now are with the outside world.

 

[brighton fella]

Do your research online, plenty of information, news about how appalling the EU is. Up to you, but I wouldn't base my vote by listening to any of them in leave or remain. Once in a lifetime opportunity to make a change for the better. Get researching.

That is the trouble, because most of the remain lot are too idle to do any research they tend to take to the overall voice being spouted from within the E U funded British media as gospel as apposed to listening for a change to those with some real credibility and genuinity about them. . totally brainwashed and hoodwinked...

 

[Bakero]

That is the trouble, because most of the remain lot are too idle to do any research they tend to take to the overall voice being spouted from within the E U funded British media as gospel as apposed to listening for a change to those with some real credibility and genuinity about them. . totally brainwashed and hoodwinked...

And of course no Brexiter has been influenced by the overwhelmingly pro-Brexit print media.

 

[Bakero]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-find-out-how-much-you-really-know?CMP=fb_gu

You are smarter than the average reader!
You were only 3 percentage points away from the right answer. The average reader was 11 points away from the right answer.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That is the trouble, because most of the remain lot are too idle to do any research they tend to take to the overall voice being spouted from within the E U funded British media as gospel as apposed to listening for a change to those with some real credibility and genuinity about them. . totally brainwashed and hoodwinked...

Your right. You got to look for the information yourself. Today RT news featured the protests in France, featured the breakdown in communication between the German and Turkish governments, this all shapes the EU, we wouldn't get this news on the BBC. All we get is poncey crap about Corbyn and workers rights, which we had before the EU anyway. If people are basing their vote because membership fee quoted might be wrong that is pathetic, because they are completely missing the point and have not looked deep enough In to the EU

 

[cunning fergus]

It's not so much the lies that are making me vote remain per-se, but more the fact that the leave campaign cannot, or simply refuse, to TRUTHFULLY tell me what life will be like if we vote leave. If I don't know that, I ain't gonna vote for it. I know what life is like remaining in the EU, and better that than something I don't know.

With that kind of outlook I am surprised you left the womb.

Change does not always mean bad, although based on your testimony I dare say when slavery was abolished there may have been a minority of slaves who felt that they had lost their sense of certainty.

The fact is that life changes and even if you don't want it to, you can't control it, and events like the euro crisis is proof of that reality. So even if you vote remain things will change and new events will occur.

Neither side can guarantee prosperity or calm, and forecasts would then be perceived as guarantees; it's therefore a case of whether the surrender of sovereignty and taxpayers money for this flimsy notional sense of security is worth it.

I don't.

 

[brighton fella]

And of course no Brexiter has been influenced by the overwhelmingly pro-Brexit print media.

Pro brexit media and where exactly do i go to find that because such information rarely exists on my TV screen . of course this wouldn't be nothing to do with the fact that the British media is Eu funded..

I get my info from not just weighing up most of the fundamental changes that have taken affect from within the EU since 75 but by scrutinizing pretty much most of these un-elected bureaucrats backgrounds etc for myself to work out.. through some intense scrutiny and internet research i came to the conclusion that they were not only up to no good and could.not to be trusted but are extremely dangerous as well.. in other words if you knew where this was all heading then you'd play no part in it's making. . .
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[Soulman]

Still Out for me.

 

[brighton fella]

Still Out for me.

My out poster sits proudly in my window.
Roll on 7th june... Farage v pig f*cker Cameron. it's a no contest Farage will piss all over him.

 

[East Preston Gull]

Your right. You got to look for the information yourself. Today RT news featured the protests in France, featured the breakdown in communication between the German and Turkish governments, this all shapes the EU, we wouldn't get this news on the BBC. All we get is poncey crap about Corbyn and workers rights, which we had before the EU anyway. If people are basing their vote because membership fee quoted might be wrong that is pathetic, because they are completely missing the point and have not looked deep enough In to the EU

This. Even France 24 has more balanced news than us.
The EU and the diesel lobbying and the resulting emissions tricking is an absolute scandal. This shows how corrupt the EU is. The BBC, ITV and SKY all brushed over it with about 30 seconds of coverage.

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[Deleted member 22389]

This. Even France 24 has more balanced news than us.
The EU and the diesel lobbying and the resulting emissions tricking is an absolute scandal. This shows how corrupt the EU is. The BBC, ITV and SKY all brushed over it with about 30 seconds of coverage.

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It must be a blessing for Remain to be keeping so much real information away from the people. When I tick that box to Leave I know I have done the best thing for my country. Remain is asking for no change, it is saying we will accept free movement forever, we will accept everything Brussels tells us to do. People who vote for Remain can live with with it, I will have to live with it too, but at least I know I didn't vote for it.

 

[GT49er]

It will remain more or less the same, which is slowly getting better. It will not lead to 1. a recession 2. a crash in the pound 3. a fall in house prices 4. a rise in food prices 5. a sharp decline in inward investment 6. the scrapping of all our trade deals 7. weaken workers rights 8.reduce funding for science and technology 9. the reintroduction of border checks in Northern Ireland 10. a second Scottish referendum

Such serene certainty and blind faith! Well, we've certainly never had a recession while warmly wrapped in the bosom of the EU, have we ........ oh, wait...........

 

[Albumen]

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well, at this particular moment in time, i am IN

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, at this particular moment in time, i am IN

Too late for me to change my mind as I've already voted.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Too late for me to change my mind as I've already voted.

But what if the Leavers miraculously came up with a coherent arguement to leave?

Anyway, I hope it was a big fat Merkel sized X by REMAIN