BNP Leader Nick Griffin Claims Theo Walcott And Rio Ferdinand Are Not English

[coventrygull]

It stumps them. It really does. They cannot come up with a cohesive answer that either a) makes sense or b) they all agree on.

It doesn't stump me.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It doesn't stump me.

Go on then. How many generations would someone of mixed race have to wait (marrying only white people of course) before their genes were considered sufficiently "pure" to be called white again?

And English, of course.

 

[Brovion]

It doesn't stump me.

Ah, but you've already admitted that you will accept non-white people as English, so it's not really aimed at you. It's aimed at people like Griffin who can tie themselves up in knots over it when the sensible option would be to accept the status quo and try and fight some real battles.

 

[coventrygull]

Go on then. How many generations would someone of mixed race have to wait (marrying only white people of course) before their genes were considered sufficiently "pure" to be called white again?

And English, of course.

As said before. If you identify with the British identity. Then you are British.

 

[coventrygull]

Ah, but you've already admitted that you will accept non-white people as English, so it's not really aimed at you. It's aimed at people like Griffin who can tie themselves up in knots over it when the sensible option would be to accept the status quo and try and fight some real battles.

What status quo should Griffin accept? Should the high levels of immigration to this country continue?

 

[Husty]

What status quo should Griffin accept? Should the high levels of immigration to this country continue?

Would you want to do the jobs these people are filling?

 

[coventrygull]

Would you want to do the jobs these people are filling?

But I do.

So your quite happy that immigrants push down the wages of British workers

 

[The Uninvited Guest]

But I do.

So your quite happy that immigrants push down the wages of British workers

why pay more for a job that can be done cheaper to the same quality as the more expensive one. may be British workers are pricing themselves out of the market

 

[El Presidente]

As said before. If you identify with the British identity. Then you are British.

What exactly is the 'British Identity', and who is qualified to define it?

 

[El Presidente]

But I do.

So your quite happy that immigrants push down the wages of British workers

Given that we have minimum wage legislation that is not easy to do.

British workers if they had any sense should get themselves a skill set that ensures that foreign casual labour can't do the job. It does however involve wanting to get an apprenticeship, education or some form of training. There is a belief amongst some British workers that a grade 'D' GCSE in Art should guarantee them a well paid job for life, and if they don't get such a job it's all the fault of someone else, and the easiest scapegoats are foreigners.

 

[auschr]

Not read all 8 pages but skimmed the first few, though I can understand what Griffin might be trying to say. Over here in America there are many people who claim their nationality to be "American" whatever that means, being born in America? However probably 60% still claim to be German, French, British, Irish and everything else despite the last relative to live in those countries 200+ years ago. Many people I talk to laugh whenever they hear someone say that their nationality is American because it seems to early to claim that there is that identity. American doesn't mean Native American/Indian either.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

What I find hilarious is that 3% of Jamaicans are white. So theoretically Nick Griffin could be Jamaican if he wanted to be.

 

[Dandyman]

who is the biggest landlord then is it camden ?

Southwark, although I did previously work for Camden.

 

[twickers]

BNP Leader Nick Griffin humbled on Radio 5 Live
by Alan Stevens on 12-May-09 2:32pm
A totally expected declaration of interest - I can't abide Nick Griffin or the party that he leads, the BNP. However, I have rarely heard his radical views more cleverly brought out in to the open than this morning, when he was interviewed on BBC Radio 5 Live by NIcky Campbell.

Mr Griffin was forced to admit that he had once been a Holocaust denier, but said that he had changed his mind. He then spoke about his party's policy of looking after "indigenous British people". Campbell asked him what he meant, and Griffin argued that only white people could really claim to be "English". Campbell asked whether England footballers like Theo Walcott and Rio Ferdinand were really "English" Griffin, caught up in his own Alice-in-wonderland world replied "Of course they aren't English, they're Afro-Caribbean." He continued "I might go and live in Jamaica, but I could never be Jamaican because I'm not black". Campbell resisted the obvious question about where Griffin thought the black people in Jamaica had come from, and simply let him talk himself deeper into a hole.

It was a masterpiece of gentle extraction of a politician's true nature. No wonder the five live breakfast show won a Sony award last night.

Furthermore, anyone tempted to vote for Griffin and his unpleasant little party should listen to the interview on the BBC iPlayer before casting their vote in the Euro elections.


Quite.

You're being bamboozled. It's not actually acurate or clever and is a terrible spin in denial of what indiginous English actually was and what being English today actually is.

If it was accurate you'd describe it as x generation English because going back in history English also ceases to become English at a certain point whereby, for example, only indiginous English people were actually ginger and the rest Roman and German origin who chased ginger poeple to Wales, Scotland and Ireland and claimed England and the consequent 1st generation of English to which Nick Griffin considers himself. So if he wants that discussion he has to define the timeline of generation, but he can't actually accurately call English white indiginous because that's not true or a reflection of what English is. It's an over simplification of English to make a very bad point and to do that you have to actually acknoledge Europe.

Besides all that Nick Griffin is a 1st generation c*nt.

 

[Dandyman]

Its simple really. I am white working class and they are the party that speaks up for me. I am surprised that no one on here has mentioned Nick Griffin's interview on BBC news the other night. When he said that non whites would be allowed to join the BNP in the future. Its something that has been discussed within the BNP for a while.

When has fascism ever been anything other than uber-conservatism with spot of genocide thrown in for fun? Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Salazar, etc all came to power when the capitalism was in crisis in their countries and the ruling classes needed some boot boys to keep working people under control. The idea that a party that seeks to divide working people on "ethnic" grounds, has always stood against working class self-organisation, broken strikes, been pay-rolled by the wealthy and powerful has anything to do with really standing up for working people is the biggest piece of horse manure I've ever heard.

I had hoped that you might have moved on from that particular piece of self-delusion, sadly it seems not.

 

[beorhthelm]

So your quite happy that immigrants push down the wages of British workers

it might bother me if it were true. but its largly bollocks. do they push down wages or fill needs in the labour market where local natives (white or black) think certain jobs are beneth them or too hard work. if south london chavs got off their arses and trained for a couple of years they could be doing the jobs Poles and others "took".

 

[coventrygull]

When has fascism ever been anything other than uber-conservatism with spot of genocide thrown in for fun? Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Salazar, etc all came to power when the capitalism was in crisis in their countries and the ruling classes needed some boot boys to keep working people under control. The idea that a party that seeks to divide working people on "ethnic" grounds, has always stood against working class self-organisation, broken strikes, been pay-rolled by the wealthy and powerful has anything to do with really standing up for working people is the biggest piece of horse manure I've ever heard.

I had hoped that you might have moved on from that particular piece of self-delusion, sadly it seems not.

Oh dear. We are still calling The BNP fascist are we. I don't suffer from any self delusion at all.

 

[coventrygull]

it might bother me if it were true. but its largly bollocks. do they push down wages or fill needs in the labour market where local natives (white or black) think certain jobs are beneth them or too hard work. if south london chavs got off their arses and trained for a couple of years they could be doing the jobs Poles and others "took".

I think we will have to agree to disagree on that one. I seem to remember the left wing Militant paper saying the same thing.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

although you may find his views abhorrent , he has a degree from cambridge.

It's only a lower second. He's thick.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Really,Why then is "mixed race" one of the fastest growing groups in the Census?

(for the record my parents were brought up in different religions & different classes and born in different countries of the Empire).

to many slappers looking for black cock!!