[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

[ROSM]

Suggest you give your keyboard a rest sunshine..you seem a tad confused

Second time you've called me sunshine. Bless you darling

 

[ROSM]

It was never going to kill the legislation as it was never going to pass due to the huge majority Labour have. The amendment was just symbolic and political point scoring.

An amendment passed at that stage (final reading) does kill it. It takes it back to 1st reading and committee stages. You are right it was never going to succeed but as @Bozza Says, we all know how it will be played and some on here believe it

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Faisal Islam: Soaring UK borrowing costs are a problem for Rachel Reeves

The Chancellor may face the prospect of breaking her own Budget rules

www.bbc.co.uk

How long has RR got?

The damage is already done

 

[Chicken Run]

Couldn't give a monkey's - generally though the standard of education and exam rates amongst ethnic groups are higher than some parts of white Anglo saxon society

Please provide evidence?

 

[Chicken Run]

Now who is drawing conclusions that werent there…perhaps you need to pass a test

His type would insist on setting the questions

 

[jcdenton08]

Couldn't give a monkey's - generally though the standard of education and exam rates amongst ethnic groups are higher than some parts of white Anglo saxon society

Can you cite examples?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Please provide evidence?

GCSE results (Attainment 8)

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (65.5 out of 90.0).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

 

[LamieRobertson]

Two people worth listening to more than a politician From any party imo

Prof Alexis Jay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "people should get on with" implementing her reforms and "locally people need to step up to the mark and do the things that have been recommended".
But asked if a new national inquiry would hinder the implementation of her recommendations, Prof Jay said: "It would certainly cause delays."
She said she was "very unhappy with the politicisation of child sexual exploitation" done in a "very uninformed way".
However she added that the row may have given "some kind of impetus to move forward".

Then there is this person

Maggie Oliver, a former Greater Manchester Police (GMP) detective who resigned in 2012 over poor handling of abuse cases in Rochdale, said it had taken "an international spotlight on our country" to prompt the measures announced by the home secretary.
She told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour that "nothing had happened in the two-and-a-half years since those recommendations were made".
Ms Oliver said she was unsure if victims wanted a new national inquiry, adding: "The question has to be, what is the public inquiry for? Who will lead it? What are the terms of reference? Are victims and survivors going to be front and central? I would also argue that we fully know what the problem is and the time is for action."
Ms Oliver also said she had spoken to victims who were "raging" about the prime minister's remarks on Monday. It comes after Sir Keir hit out at politicians "calling for inquiries because they want to jump on a bandwagon of the far-right".

 

[LamieRobertson]

GCSE results (Attainment 8)

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (65.5 out of 90.0).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

Yeah i had already quoted the Chinese in my earlier reply …to which i added Indian

 

[jcdenton08]

GCSE results (Attainment 8)

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (65.5 out of 90.0).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

3,383 Chinese students, compared to 433,870 White and 392,497 White British.

The problem is with statistics is you can make them work however you want.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It wasn't a look into. It was a full 7 year review with investigations and research. There is a full 190plus page report specifically into the gang element. Stopping what happened is what the 20plus recommendations are intended to drive.

Now if someone says there is evidence that was missed, ignored, come to light since that is new and relevant rather than more examples of what is already covered the yes there needs to be a new inquiry. As I understand it, Professor Jay doesn't believe there has been.

It wasn't a look into. It was a full 7 year review with investigations and research. There is a full 190plus page report specifically into the gang element. Stopping what happened is what the 20plus recommendations are intended to drive.

Now if someone says there is evidence that was missed, ignored, come to light since that is new and relevant rather than more examples of what is already covered the yes there needs to be a new inquiry. As I understand it, Professor Jay doesn't believe there has been.

Evidence from the victims would be a good place to start?

How can you have a proper inquiry and speak to 1 victim?

"Maggie was a non-institutional core participant, which meant she gave evidence independently based on what she had witnessed as a police officer. Her full 50 page statement can be read here. Only 18 pages were admitted as evidence by the inquiry, this reduced version can be read here.

This part of the inquiry only heard evidence from one survivor"

What IICSA Didn't Report

IICSA's findings on 'grooming gangs' lacked detail, justice, and survivor voices. Explore Maggie's insights as a core participant and discover why government inaction on its 20 recommendations undermines true accountability...

www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com

Also why this happened and how to stop it happening again.

"The government has said that local councils can organise their own inquiries. But these are major political battles. Reports in Telford, Rotherham, Rochdale and Oldham all took years to come to fruition. Survivors had to battle with politicians who sought to block or undermine them. The councillors who were accused of covering up the abuse had the power to vote against investigating it"

The last inquiry failed grooming gang victims — we need a full national inquiry

It’s easy to get sucked into the online fight between Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, and the British government over the rape gangs scandal. But it risks us losing sight of what really matters: the victims and their needs.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[ROSM]

Please provide evidence?

GCSE English and maths results

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group were the most likely out of all ethnic groups to get a grade 4 or above in GCSE English and maths (88.6%).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

 

[Machiavelli]

Two people worth listening to more than a politician From any party imo

Prof Alexis Jay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "people should get on with" implementing her reforms and "locally people need to step up to the mark and do the things that have been recommended".
But asked if a new national inquiry would hinder the implementation of her recommendations, Prof Jay said: "It would certainly cause delays."
She said she was "very unhappy with the politicisation of child sexual exploitation" done in a "very uninformed way".
However she added that the row may have given "some kind of impetus to move forward".

Then there is this person

Maggie Oliver, a former Greater Manchester Police (GMP) detective who resigned in 2012 over poor handling of abuse cases in Rochdale, said it had taken "an international spotlight on our country" to prompt the measures announced by the home secretary.
She told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour that "nothing had happened in the two-and-a-half years since those recommendations were made".
Ms Oliver said she was unsure if victims wanted a new national inquiry, adding: "The question has to be, what is the public inquiry for? Who will lead it? What are the terms of reference? Are victims and survivors going to be front and central? I would also argue that we fully know what the problem is and the time is for action."
Ms Oliver also said she had spoken to victims who were "raging" about the prime minister's remarks on Monday. It comes after Sir Keir hit out at politicians "calling for inquiries because they want to jump on a bandwagon of the far-right".

And more so than Elon Musk too.

Can you explain what point you're trying to prove by invoking Jay and Oliver, because I'm not following.
This might be due to my inadequate understanding, which I'll offer here as a starting point:
-- Jay wrote the 2022 Report, in which there are numerous recommendations that are yet to be -- or have only sporadically been -- implemented. Jay is against holding another enquiry, and wants implementation to be speeded up.
-- Oliver is unsure as to whether there should be a new inquiry but doesn't want one politician calling for an inquiry being labelled by another politician as 'far-right'.

Either way, neither of these two that have been intensely involved seem to be keen on a public inquiry.

 

[ROSM]

Can you cite examples?

GCSE English and maths results

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group were the most likely out of all ethnic groups to get a grade 4 or above in GCSE English and maths (88.6%).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

 

[ROSM]

3,383 Chinese students, compared to 433,870 White and 392,497 White British.

The problem is with statistics is you can make them work however you want.

Look at all ethnic groups in the data I shared. Not just Chinese. The numbers are significant enough to stand crutiny

 

[Chicken Run]

GCSE English and maths results

In the 2022 to 2023 school year, pupils from the Chinese ethnic group were the most likely out of all ethnic groups to get a grade 4 or above in GCSE English and maths (88.6%).

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

3,383 Chinese students, compared to 433,870 White and 392,497 White British.

The problem is with statistics is you can make them work however you want.

 

[ROSM]

Evidence from the victims would be a good place to start?

How can you have a proper inquiry and speak to 1 victim?

"Maggie was a non-institutional core participant, which meant she gave evidence independently based on what she had witnessed as a police officer. Her full 50 page statement can be read here. Only 18 pages were admitted as evidence by the inquiry, this reduced version can be read here.

This part of the inquiry only heard evidence from one survivor"

What IICSA Didn't Report

IICSA's findings on 'grooming gangs' lacked detail, justice, and survivor voices. Explore Maggie's insights as a core participant and discover why government inaction on its 20 recommendations undermines true accountability...

www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com

Also why this happened and how to stop it happening again.

"The government has said that local councils can organise their own inquiries. But these are major political battles. Reports in Telford, Rotherham, Rochdale and Oldham all took years to come to fruition. Survivors had to battle with politicians who sought to block or undermine them. The councillors who were accused of covering up the abuse had the power to vote against investigating it"

The last inquiry failed grooming gang victims — we need a full national inquiry

It’s easy to get sucked into the online fight between Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, and the British government over the rape gangs scandal. But it risks us losing sight of what really matters: the victims and their needs.

www.standard.co.uk

The standard article is written by a gb news reporter. He mentions the report mentioning Rochdale missing the organised group report mentioning Rochdale 22 times..he is being selective

Maggie Oliver mentions 'that part of the inquiry'. It would be better to discuss the whole 7 years and 400 days of evidence

I have no issue with a new public inquiry of there is new evidence not presented/considered previously that details scenarios, methods or failings not already identified and had recommendations made.

Also if it helps convict more people and remove those who didn't address this or do their jobs correctly from their roles.

But inquiries take time, cost money, can cause more pain for the victims and they risk delaying the recommendations already made.

 

[ROSM]

3,383 Chinese students, compared to 433,870 White and 392,497 White British.

The problem is with statistics is you can make them work however you want.

You and @jcdenton08 have looked at one ethnic group. Have a look at the full table including some 221k non 'White british'

 

[The Clamp]

Thick as shit and mad as a bag of cabbage.

Liz Truss sends legal letter ordering Starmer to stop saying she crashed economy

‘Cease and desist’ letter accuses PM of harming her reputation and contributing to her losing her seat

www.theguardian.com