[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

[beorhthelm]

I'm more horrified by the labelling of anyone who speaks out against some Government policy being labelled as "far right". Perhaps as an American he can speak out more freely without any consequences. Last nights whip by Starmer on the vote on grooming gangs was absolutely disgusting. Nobody of right mind or of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified by that too.

you probably dont understand the amemdment then. not only did it call for an unnecessary inquiry, it was intended to stop the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill, bringing in measures for protecting children. we should really be horrified in the cheap tactics our politicans use for public grandstanding on important issues.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm more horrified by the labelling of anyone who speaks out against some Government policy being labelled as "far right". Perhaps as an American he can speak out more freely without any consequences. Last nights whip by Starmer on the vote on grooming gangs was absolutely disgusting. Nobody of right mind or of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified by that too.

I can understand your concern but it has been widely misreported (deliberately).

Last night was the second reading of the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill, which covers safeguarding and a whole lot more. The Conservatives tried to introduce an amendment which could have killed the Bill altogether.
There is no need for an inquiry when one was started by May, as Home Office minister, in 2015, concluded in 2022, and had 20 recommendations to combat grooming gangs, not one of which was acted upon by the previous government.
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[ROSM]

I'm more horrified by the labelling of anyone who speaks out against some Government policy being labelled as "far right". Perhaps as an American he can speak out more freely without any consequences. Last nights whip by Starmer on the vote on grooming gangs was absolutely disgusting. Nobody of right mind or of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified by that too.

You've got this slightly wrong in my view.

Nobody is saying everybody who speaks against govt policy is far right. However the far right are being incredibly vocal , selecting divisive topics and manipulating the information to drive a groundswell of opinion.

Globally there is a growing and very vocal far right agenda against centrist or left govts. Steve Bannon is being very vocal that there is a co-ordinated onslaught which on his words 'they won't be able to withstand '

Last nights 'whip' was to support an education bill. To try and hijack for a different agenda is the disgusting part in my view.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Nobody of right mind nor of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified of the influence Musk has already exerted over our political system, nor where it may end up.

I agree completely.

And yet there are hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of people believing, backing and repeating his lies about enquiries into 'grooming gangs' all over various types of social media. Very obviously not of right mind

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Faisal Islam: Soaring UK borrowing costs are a problem for Rachel Reeves

The Chancellor may face the prospect of breaking her own Budget rules

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How long has RR got?

 

[Bozza]

Last nights whip by Starmer on the vote on grooming gangs was absolutely disgusting. Nobody of right mind or of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified by that too.

It wasn't a vote on grooming gangs.

Last night was the second reading of the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill.

The Tories, somewhat cynically and opportunistically, were using this to jump on the Musk bandwagon by attaching an amendment seeking a new nationwide inquiry on grooming gangs.

The mechanics of Parliament the law-making process is such that the amendment, at this stage of proceedings, would have stopped the Bill dead in its tracks. A bill that is seeking to improve the outlook for vulnerable children.

Let's be clear: I have no idea whether a new inquiry is needed or not. I've heard and read a lot both from those that say it is, and those who say it isn't.

But the weaponising of the issue in the way attempted by Badenoch et al is quite distasteful.

The playbook is pretty obvious, I think. Within a week or two the Tories will be coming out with messages like "Labour MP XXXX XXXXX voted against an inquiry into grooming gangs - they clearly think they're OK."

 

[portslade seagull]

The blues had time b4 the election to at least implement some of the findings from the 7yr inquiry but did nothing. On this issue give the reds some slack, I'm sure they will move much quicker. As for Elon stick to producing cars

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I would love to know how the inquiry produced a number of research and investigation reports one of which was a 193 page report into child exploitation by organised networks, in Feb 22 of they only took 10 days of evidence?

This report by the way mentioned Rochdale 22 times..not the 1 that Badenoch selectively mentioned from the overall c450 page child sex abuse report which was a statutory instrument discussing the evidence, failings and recommendations. This would be unlikely to be locations specific unless the evidence was location specific. Anybody who has done an investigation report, thesis or dissertation would understand that. I can only assume that some MPs have forgotten this.

As a day to day guide, I try not to listen to badenoch, she is a moron and did nothing whilst in a position to do so for the victims or any of the recommendations.

From what the media has said the report was an overall look into different sectors of child abuse and not just the grooming gangs, as a country we need to know what's happened to stop it happening again and get justice for the victims.

Tories are just embarrassing themselves with how they are using this to score points, but that doesn't stop the need for a full inquiry to find out what's gone on.

Faisal Islam: Soaring UK borrowing costs are a problem for Rachel Reeves

The Chancellor may face the prospect of breaking her own Budget rules

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How long has RR got?

Perfect chance for Starmer to throw someone under the bus for the poor start, reverse the WFA decision whilst they look at a better way to do it etc.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As a day to day guide, I try not to listen to badenoch, she is a moron and did nothing whilst in a position to do so for the victims or any of the recommendations.

From what the media has said the report was an overall look into different sectors of child abuse and not just the grooming gangs, as a country we need to know what's happened to stop it happening again and get justice for the victims.
Tories are just embarrassing themselves with how they are using this to score points, but that doesn't stop the need for a full inquiry to find out what's gone on.





Perfect chance for Starmer to throw someone under the bus for the poor start, reverse the WFA decision whilst they look at a better way to do it etc.

Out of interest what aspects did the Terms of Reference of the last inquiry omit, which would require going through a second one, rather than just getting on and implementing the recommendations of the last inquiry ?

 

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[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Tories are just embarrassing themselves with how they are using this to score points, but that doesn't stop the need for a full inquiry to find out what's gone on.

Perfect chance for Starmer to throw someone under the bus for the poor start, reverse the WFA decision whilst they look at a better way to do it etc.

Point 1: Spot on - a full enquiry should be held to run alongside the Bill that was passed last night.

So far ZERO accountability from those responsible for not taking action (Police, Social Services etc.) just lots of feeble platitudes and apologies

Point 2 : Yes, agree - she'll be forever tarred as the person responsible for WFA cuts - which everyone, even diehard Labour supporters know was handled very, very badly (with awful PR to go with it)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The playbook is pretty obvious, I think. Within a week or two the Tories will be coming out with messages like "Labour MP XXXX XXXXX voted against an inquiry into grooming gangs - they clearly think they're OK."

They already have, and named them.

 

[portslade seagull]

They already have, and named them.

I think it would be the same no matter who's in charge as with politicians it's all about point scoring

 

[ROSM]

As a day to day guide, I try not to listen to badenoch, she is a moron and did nothing whilst in a position to do so for the victims or any of the recommendations.

From what the media has said the report was an overall look into different sectors of child abuse and not just the grooming gangs, as a country we need to know what's happened to stop it happening again and get justice for the victims.

Tories are just embarrassing themselves with how they are using this to score points, but that doesn't stop the need for a full inquiry to find out what's gone on.





Perfect chance for Starmer to throw someone under the bus for the poor start, reverse the WFA decision whilst they look at a better way to do it etc.

It wasn't a look into. It was a full 7 year review with investigations and research. There is a full 190plus page report specifically into the gang element. Stopping what happened is what the 20plus recommendations are intended to drive.

Now if someone says there is evidence that was missed, ignored, come to light since that is new and relevant rather than more examples of what is already covered the yes there needs to be a new inquiry. As I understand it, Professor Jay doesn't believe there has been.

 

[CheeseRolls]

This is just a depressing read - what a mess!

How Elon Musk seized on baseless memo claim to fuel wave of misinformation

If this much digging is required to clarify who said what, how do we ever get to the point of putting the victims first?

 

[ROSM]

Point 1: Spot on - a full enquiry should be held to run alongside the Bill that was passed last night.

So far ZERO accountability from those responsible for not taking action (Police, Social Services etc.) just lots of feeble platitudes and apologies

The bill last night was concerning education of vulnerable children. It has as much ro do with grooming gangs as Lewis Dunk has to do with pro celebrity water polo.

There has been a full inquiry. If there is new evidence that isn't more of what has been covered already then by all means have a further inquiry. I'm not sure anybody has said that there is.

As for accountability , that doesn't need an inquiry. It needs councils and police forces to take action. And if they don't then they need to be forced to.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think it would be the same no matter who's in charge as with politicians it's all about point scoring

That doesn't make it right especially with the misinformation, or, let's tell the truth here, downright lies.

 

[portslade seagull]

That doesn't make it right especially with the misinformation, or, let's tell the truth here, downright lies.

Not disagreeing with you but sadly the truth on all sides of political persuasions gets rather lost in the fog created by their own party needs. It doesn't help when some idjut from America gets involved. Pity they can't get an injunction to stop him spouting off

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

As for accountability , that doesn't need an inquiry. It needs councils and police forces to take action. And if they don't then they need to be forced to.

And who is going to force them?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Andy Burnham backs 'limited' national child sex abuse inquiry

The Greater Manchester mayor says local reviews do not have the same powers as a national probe.

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