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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 115 28.2%
  • No

    Votes: 239 58.6%
  • Fence

    Votes: 54 13.2%

  • Total voters
    408






beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,088
Immigrants accept lower wages, which in turn means more profits for the CEOs.
you understand "immigrants accept lower wages" is a cornerstone argument by those against immigrantion?
sure, some business will benefit, and their owners, along with customers from cheaper labour. it's just far too sweeping to assert this is the only reason for more profits, there are far more inputs, costs, business types with varying levels of immigrant labour.
 
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ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
7,014
Just far enough away from LDC
What I find really interesting is that according to the FT, Musk has been openly discussing how he can support Starmer and Labour being otherthrown. That is foreign malevolent influence on a grand scale

Imagine he was sat in Brussels saying that rather than the US? Imagine if he was discussing getting May or Cameron out?

What you wouldn't be getting is all the progressive left/ remainers supporting that approach as the tory right/brexiteers are pandering to Musk now. In fact i suspect more people from the left would be speaking out against it (inc say a Corbyn or McDonnell)
 




Ike and Tina Burner

Well-known member
Mar 22, 2019
653
given the increased productivity from technology and effects of quantative easing on asset prices in similar period, yes, it's probably a conincidence.
Mass immigration is major factor in the function of all Western economies and has been for probably the last decade. To describe it as a coincidence is to imply otherwise which is quite frankly insane
saying that we are poorer individually due to migration, and highlighting the low skills of migrants, doesn't really make a case for migration make rich people riricher.
What? You can't see how a worker army of low skilled labourers who'll basically accept any work irregardless of pay and conditions benefits the rich? Please explain how Deliveroo, Uber, Amazon, McDonald's ect... could function in the way they do without it. That's before we even get into the supply chain.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
21,033
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Liz Truss has sent Keir Starmer a cease and desist letter over claims she crashed the economy


I thought she was a “free speech advocate” these days?

Please let this end up in court so she gets humiliated in public again.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
57,700
Back in Sussex
What I find really interesting is that according to the FT, Musk has been openly discussing how he can support Starmer and Labour being otherthrown. That is foreign malevolent influence on a grand scale

Imagine he was sat in Brussels saying that father than the US? Imagine if he was discussing getting May or Cameron out?

What you wouldn't be getting is all the progressive left supporting that approach as the tory right are pandering to Musk now. In fact i suspect more people from the left would be speaking out against it (inc say a Corbyn or McDonnell)
Nobody of right mind nor of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified of the influence Musk has already exerted over our political system, nor where it may end up.
 




bazbha

Active member
Mar 18, 2011
314
Hailsham
What I find really interesting is that according to the FT, Musk has been openly discussing how he can support Starmer and Labour being otherthrown. That is foreign malevolent influence on a grand scale

Imagine he was sat in Brussels saying that rather than the US? Imagine if he was discussing getting May or Cameron out?

What you wouldn't be getting is all the progressive left/ remainers supporting that approach as the tory right/brexiteers are pandering to Musk now. In fact i suspect more people from the left would be speaking out against it (inc say a Corbyn or McDonnell)
Nobody of right mind nor of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified of the influence Musk has already exerted over our political system, nor where it may end up.
I'm more horrified by the labelling of anyone who speaks out against some Government policy being labelled as "far right". Perhaps as an American he can speak out more freely without any consequences. Last nights whip by Starmer on the vote on grooming gangs was absolutely disgusting. Nobody of right mind or of any political persuasion should be anything but horrified by that too.
 


Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,246
Lancing
This is rapidly turning into an economic fiasco after that awful budget.

The pound has fallen to its lowest level in over a year, while UK borrowing costs have surged to their highest for 16 years.

Economists have warned that the rising costs could lead to further tax increases or spending cuts as the government tries to meet its self-imposed rule not to borrow to fund day-to-day spending.
 


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