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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 115 27.4%
  • No

    Votes: 250 59.7%
  • Fence

    Votes: 54 12.9%

  • Total voters
    419


Uncle Spielberg

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Weststander

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It already has, long term mortgage rates are 0.5 - 0.75% higher now than they would have been pre budget. The markets really do not like Labour

Or Trussomics, the long term hurt from that was estimated at 0.75%.

Modern global economic systems can’t be bucked, outsider strategies get hammered. First noticed this with Lamont/Major’s dumb shadowing of the ERM whatever the cost in 92.

It isn’t theoretical. Real people and businesses with debt get hurt.
 




LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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And more so than Elon Musk too.

Can you explain what point you're trying to prove by invoking Jay and Oliver, because I'm not following.
This might be due to my inadequate understanding, which I'll offer here as a starting point:
-- Jay wrote the 2022 Report, in which there are numerous recommendations that are yet to be -- or have only sporadically been -- implemented. Jay is against holding another enquiry, and wants implementation to be speeded up.
-- Oliver is unsure as to whether there should be a new inquiry but doesn't want one politician calling for an inquiry being labelled by another politician as 'far-right'.

Either way, neither of these two that have been intensely involved seem to be keen on a public inquiry.
Agreed re Musk as well

In answer to your question not trying to prove any point…i thought it was information that might be useful to those who might have missed it…..giving angles such as ‘’delays’’ (as you point out) and the recent furore at least bringing it all back to the attention of the public and the powers that be.

the the two i quoted as i said continue to be people worth listening to……as i believe this lady would be


The mother of two, raped by multiple Muslim men after being groomed as a 14-year-old in 1999, said: “We know how many people were killed in Grenfell. We know how many people died at Hillsborough. We don’t know how many survived this.

“It’s in each town in our country. It’s on a national scale. And I know that’s going to take a lot of work, and I’m sorry that that’s going to take a lot of work. But that’s what’s going to need to be done.

“The Jay report obviously cost a lot of money, a lot of resources, but the answers aren’t really there and the recommendations still haven’t been implemented.”

whatever view we take ….we all want action (which on the surface of it appears missing to date)
 


Uncle Spielberg

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A1X

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Thick as shit and mad as a bag of cabbage.

The Streisand effect in action, if you want people to stop talking about how Liz Truss crashed the economy then Liz Truss getting pissy because people keep saying she crashed the economy is the worst thing hat can happen, because now everyone is talking about how Liz Truss crashed the economy again.

P.S. Liz Truss crashed the economy.
 


LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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The Streisand effect in action, if you want people to stop talking about how Liz Truss crashed the economy then Liz Truss getting pissy because people keep saying she crashed the economy is the worst thing hat can happen, because now everyone is talking about how Liz Truss crashed the economy again.

P.S. Liz Truss crashed the economy.
Hmmm 🤔….maybe given time?

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Uncle Spielberg

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UK borrowing costs now the highest for 26 years
 




















Uncle Spielberg

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And this 1 500 000 new homes in the next 5 years is more fantasy land. There is not the building structure needed with the different trades needed especially since so many skilled labourers left after Brexit and who will buy them and how many people will be able to get the mortgage needed or afford the payments ?
 
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Weststander

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And this 1 500 000 new homes in the next 5 years is more fantasy land. There is not the building structure needed with the different trades needed especially since so many skilled labourers left after Brexit and who will buy them and how many people will be able to get the mortgage needed or afford the payments ?

Best we can hope for is 300,000 per annum by 2029, I would call that success.

It’ll take an age to get this up and running. Planning reform, permissions, some compulsory land purchase for new towns, the other resources. And as @WATFORD zero would correctly point out, the tradesmen, with the restrictions of Brexit.
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,936
Sussex by the Sea
Best we can hope for is 300,000 per annum by 2029, I would call that success.

It’ll take an age to get this up and running. Planning reform, permissions, some compulsory land purchase for new towns, the other resources. And as @WATFORD zero would correctly point out, the tradesmen, with the restrictions of Brexit.
The amount of new medical centres and schools will be quite something too.
 


Weststander

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The amount of new medical centres and schools will be quite something too.

Hopefully planned in this time and seen through to bricks n mortar (not allowing developers off the hook).

All UK governments 1997 to 2024 royally screwed up on infrastructure to match huge population increase.
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
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Sussex by the Sea
Hopefully planned in this time and seen through to bricks n mortar (not allowing developers off the hook).

All UK governments 1997 to 2024 royally screwed up on infrastructure to match huge population increase.
With such an ambitious housing plan I'm sure there won't be any screwing up in this instance.
 


Weststander

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With such an ambitious housing plan I'm sure there won't be any screwing up in this instance.

This could be a great opportunity to skill up the nation with German style apprenticeships. Of real meaning. Our equivalent is almost a token gesture. UK employers shy away from it, including businesses making big profits. Always chasing the quick buck.
 


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