Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?

[The Truth]

Firstly I would have agree with beorhthelm as to when the photo was taken. Secondly the photo was taken from above so the angle of cut is deceptive, I can do an animation to prove this point but haven't got time tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JkvGCHur8c Symyjym, you have a point. I never considered this as a possibility!

 

[symyjym]

I'll accept your theory that animation can be used to trick people from knowing what really happened. Therefore shouldn't your theory also be applied towards the actual attacks which you viewed through media. If so, then maybe Afghanistan was pre-planned?

I'm not trying to trick anyone with the animation. The fact is "if" America wanted an excuse to go to war with Afghanistan, they could have just flown one remote controlled 767 plane into one tower.

 

[The Truth]

The fact is "if" America wanted an excuse to go to war with Afghanistan, they could have just flown one remote controlled 767 plane into one tower.

That's not a fact and anyway, your animation trick idea seems more plausible. A 767 remote controlled plane might of been used, but without animation, I don't think it would of fooled anyone.

 

[symyjym]

That's not a fact and anyway, your animation trick idea seems more plausible. A 767 remote controlled plane might of been used, but without animation, I don't think it would of fooled anyone.

Well it is a fact that only one plane flown into one tower would have given America an excuse to go to war. You know that this is true, so I don't know who you are trying to kid? Yourself probably.

Now you are saying that all the video footage of the planes crashing into the towers needed to be an animated production. What a ridiculous theory, I have obviously been wasting my time on here and this is a perfect example of why diehard unbending CTers discredit their own theories.

You certainly know how to make a mockery out of the 911 CT story.

 

[The Truth]

Well it is a fact that only one plane flown into one tower would have given America an excuse to go to war. You know that this is true, so I don't know who you are trying to kid? Yourself probably.

Now you are saying that all the video footage of the planes crashing into the towers needed to be an animated production. What a ridiculous theory, I have obviously been wasting my time on here and this is a perfect example of why diehard unbending CTers discredit their own theories.



You certainly know how to make a mockery out of the 911 CT story.

You wrote: The fact is "if" America wanted an excuse to go to war with Afghanistan, they could have just flown one remote controlled 767 plane into one tower- How is that a fact?

I'm not saying all videos of the planes crashing into towers needed to be an animated production, that's you who's said that. You're the one who's claiming animation is used to trick people. I mentioned nothing of the kind until you proved to me it was possible. I'm only agreeing with you that animation can be applied to trick people, your idea is worth a thought.
But now you're claiming that a remote controlled 767 plane would of been a more believable and beneficial approach to the attack if the americans did create an excuse to invade? Logic tells me you're looking for any excuse to rubbish a conspiracy and that oddly includes your own conspiracies.
Are you just saying whatever helps you maintain an argument? hardly a debate when you attack people for agreeing with your theories?
On that note, I'll leave you to it, Nibble will offer you a better debate. (more your level by the looks of things)
cheerio x

 

[Nibble]

After the evidence based on the Iraqi invasion, I can't just assume the 9/11 evidence to be entirely true. The Rockerfeller family are zionist jews, they wouldn't of given 2 shits what the germans were doing (which they probably knew) in ww2. If oil merchants were orchestrating ww2 then why wouldn't you question their intent to start more wars?
Thanks for not being rude and obnoxious in debate unlike some others, I respect what you know and understand but you can't just assume the rockerfeller family will feel shame for what they did in ww2? Why not assume they are greedy people who will do anything for more money/control?

Go home. Change your pants. You've shit yourself.

 

[The Truth]

Go home. Change your pants. You've shit yourself.

You sir, are clearly weird.

 

[symyjym]

You sir, are clearly weird.

I think you've made yourself look like a complete idiot on here and I can see that you take pleasure in being in a never ending loop of fantasy.

I was doing you a favour in trying to unbrainwash and educate you, but I am really not bothered anymore, it really does not make any difference to me what you think.

Let those who want to be fooled be fooled I say, and that is why conspiracy theories will not destroy democracy, which is the point now proved on this thread and for the reasons you have explained so well.

Thank you

 

[The Truth]

I was doing you a favour in trying to unbrainwash and educate you

Unbrainwash isn't even a word! Nevertheless thanks for the education!

Anyways, it's me who's trying to deprogram you from believing everything the TV has brainwashed you with. It's you whose the idiot, now go on and eat some grass with nibble and baaah off!

 

[symyjym]

Unbrainwash isn't even a word! Nevertheless thanks for the education!

Anyways, it's me who's trying to deprogram you from believing everything the TV has brainwashed you with. It's you whose the idiot, now go on and eat some grass with nibble and baaah off!

Here you go, this one is really very factually accurate and true, without a shadow of doubt and unquestionable, it all stands up – don't be ignorant, open your mind, believe, believe and believe - enjoy.

 

[Goldstone76]

I put up this video earlier in the thread, but Goldstone76 chose to ignore it. Perhaps you can comment on it. I look forward to your expert opinion.

Hello darlings.. sorry Ive been away but now Im back for a while.

Anyway.. So fires caused the freefall collapse of 3 buildings (which has never happened before or since 911). This idea of yours that fires caused the collapse is really very naive and silly. The NIST report has been rubbished by many, many specialists and engineers as impossible and was hardly even credible as it didnt even acknowledge that many people on the scene heard, felt, were injured by explosions from the basement upwards prior to the collapse. Explosions from explosives yes.. structural supports cut using nano thermite yes.. There are so many holes in the government and NIST report that it should be filed under fiction. Bush was/is a complete nutcase and illuminati so lets have some open ideas and not closed minds. Just go and find footage of when Bush was 'told' about the 'attack'.. look at his expression and actions..

Please go and find me a skyscraper that has been on fire and then free fall collapsed? Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse - http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

Let me assume for a few moments that your right.. a group of terrorists planned and executed the most ambitious terror attack ever. The hijacked planes and flew with precision into 2 towers and the Pentagon. They set explosives and thermite throughout 3 of the most heavily guarded buildings in the world. But the government has never acknowledged any explosive of thermite.. why could that be? Well your answer is that there were no explosives or thermite.. but the evidence that there was is actually proved regardless of whether it was the cause of the collapse. And of course there is building 7.. Not hit by a plane but had several 'office fires'.. well lets say this again.. there has never ever been a complete free fall collapse of any skyscraper anywhere either before or after 911.. there have been plenty of skyscraper fires though.. A curious fact that isnt it?

See what you make of this..

Hugs and kisses..

 

[symyjym]

Hello darlings.. sorry Ive been away but now Im back for a while.

.. there has never ever been a complete free fall collapse of any skyscraper anywhere either before or after 911.. there have been plenty of skyscraper fires though.. A curious fact that isnt it?

Hugs and kisses..

Apart from this one.................



Anyway this video proves without a shadow of doubt that 911 CTers are full of shyte.

 

[The Truth]

Apart from this one.................



Anyway this video proves without a shadow of doubt that 911 CTers are full of shyte.

Haha haha! Yeah that really proves the 9/11 CTs wrong!I'm sure the twin towers was built in the exact same way as the one above? What building was bigger? this one or the one in NY? It's really hard to work out!?
I guess your theory 100% proves the CT's should start realising that it's not the governments who lie, it's the CTs!! Thanks for the evidence! Never going to think twice again!

 

[Goldstone76]

Apart from this one.................



Anyway this video proves without a shadow of doubt that 911 CTers are full of shyte.

The video proves that only the burning part of the building collapsed and not the whole structure. I shall ask you again.. show me a skyscraper that FREEFALLS from top to ground floor without apparent resistance. You cant because there have only been none other than those that fell on 911. May be its now time to move onto the Pentagon incident.. yes the one with the tiny hole and no airliner debris..

"The official dissembling and excuse-making about the true causes and prior mistakes that gave rise to and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen, almost immediately ushered in the Bush-Cheney Administration’s egregious and lawless, post 9-11 “war on terror” agenda which bore no connection to the original causes and no connection to the goal of reducing terrorism and making the world safer.” Coleen Rowley (FBI 1984-2004)

“Now is the time for our elected officials to be held accountable. Now is the time for the media to be held accountable. Why aren’t the hard questions being asked. We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11. Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, delivered one such warning. Those engaged in unusual stock trades immediately before September 11 knew enough to make millions of dollars from United and American airlines, certain insurance and brokerage firms’ stocks. What did this Administration know, and when did it know it about the events of September 11? Who else knew and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?” Cynthia McKinney USA Congress

“It seems that the so-called “war on terrorism” is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives. Indeed Tony Blair himself hinted at this when he said to the Commons liaison committee: “To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11.” Micheal Meacher Labour MP

Did you know that the CIA gave orders for the issue of visas to the supposed terrorists? Mike Springmann. Springmann went public (after internal efforts failed) to expose the State Dept/CIA conduiting terrorists into the USA. Do you feel this is acceptable behaviour for a country 'at war'?

He said "In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence."

Michael J. Springmann was the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in the Reagan and former Bush administrations, from September 1987 through March 1989. While stationed in Saudi Arabia, Springmann was "ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants". Springmann claims that these applicants were in fact, terrorist recruits of Osama Bin Laden, who were being sent to the United States in order to obtain training from the C.I.A. Springmann has issued complaints to "higher authorities at several agencies", but they've been unanswered. The State Department has however noted that the consular officer had final authority in issuing the visas, not Springmann. Following Springmann's complaints, he was fired by the State Department.

Now after reading this your asking so what? And what has this to do with 911.. The point is that the USA government has a long history of using terrorists when its suited their objectives which at this period was the Russian involvment in Afghanistan. Its fact that the CIA recruited Bin Laden and created the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Do you really think the CIA had no knowledge of what was to happen on 911? They did know and I feel that a USA secret cell enabled and organised the whole thing.

Over to you..

 

[The Truth]

The video proves that only the burning part of the building collapsed and not the whole structure. I shall ask you again.. show me a skyscraper that FREEFALLS from top to ground floor without apparent resistance. You cant because there have only been none other than those that fell on 911. May be its now time to move onto the Pentagon incident.. yes the one with the tiny hole and no airliner debris..

"The official dissembling and excuse-making about the true causes and prior mistakes that gave rise to and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen, almost immediately ushered in the Bush-Cheney Administration’s egregious and lawless, post 9-11 “war on terror” agenda which bore no connection to the original causes and no connection to the goal of reducing terrorism and making the world safer.” Coleen Rowley (FBI 1984-2004)

“Now is the time for our elected officials to be held accountable. Now is the time for the media to be held accountable. Why aren’t the hard questions being asked. We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11. Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, delivered one such warning. Those engaged in unusual stock trades immediately before September 11 knew enough to make millions of dollars from United and American airlines, certain insurance and brokerage firms’ stocks. What did this Administration know, and when did it know it about the events of September 11? Who else knew and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?” Cynthia McKinney USA Congress

“It seems that the so-called “war on terrorism” is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives. Indeed Tony Blair himself hinted at this when he said to the Commons liaison committee: “To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11.” Micheal Meacher Labour MP

Did you know that the CIA gave orders for the issue of visas to the supposed terrorists? Mike Springmann. Springmann went public (after internal efforts failed) to expose the State Dept/CIA conduiting terrorists into the USA. Do you feel this is acceptable behaviour for a country 'at war'?

He said "In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence."

Michael J. Springmann was the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in the Reagan and former Bush administrations, from September 1987 through March 1989. While stationed in Saudi Arabia, Springmann was "ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants". Springmann claims that these applicants were in fact, terrorist recruits of Osama Bin Laden, who were being sent to the United States in order to obtain training from the C.I.A. Springmann has issued complaints to "higher authorities at several agencies", but they've been unanswered. The State Department has however noted that the consular officer had final authority in issuing the visas, not Springmann. Following Springmann's complaints, he was fired by the State Department.

Now after reading this your asking so what? And what has this to do with 911.. The point is that the USA government has a long history of using terrorists when its suited their objectives which at this period was the Russian involvment in Afghanistan. Its fact that the CIA recruited Bin Laden and created the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Do you really think the CIA had no knowledge of what was to happen on 911? They did know and I feel that a USA secret cell enabled and organised the whole thing.

Over to you..

Top post, I doubt many could argue with that.

 

[symyjym]

Handy all this copy and paste, you don't even have to use a brain cell to express yourselves.

 

[The Truth]

Handy all this copy and paste, you don't even have to use a brain cell to express yourselves.

Oh dear, looks like Symyjym is lost for words. Seems like this is all he can say to a top goldstone 1976 post!

Symyjym, give up. Youtube videos aren't always going to win you a debate. Go outside and graze the field, logic clearly isn't a strong point for you. Baaaaahhhh.

 

[symyjym]

Oh dear, looks like Symyjym is lost for words. Seems like this is all he can say to a top goldstone 1976 post!

Symyjym, give up. Youtube videos aren't always going to win you a debate. Go outside and graze the field, logic clearly isn't a strong point for you. Baaaaahhhh.

There are perhaps no more than a few thousand genuine "9/11 Truthers" worldwide and their numbers are shrinking rapidly. The evidence for this can be seen in the pathetic showing of 9/11 Truth activists on the anniversary and the death (or near death) of literally scores of 9/11 conspiracy related web sites. Even former heavyweights like the "Loose Change Forums" and "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" have virtually no activity on them. The most active Truther group, Tricky Dick Gage's Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth consistently and massively fails to meet every single fund-raising and petition signing goal they set. We are talking 3% of goal type numbers here!

Put your money where your mouths are and hand Tricky Dick Gage's Architects and Engineers your pay cheques to help them with the failed crusade.

They need as many idiots as they can so I am sure you will be welcome with open arms.

 

[Goldstone76]

Handy all this copy and paste, you don't even have to use a brain cell to express yourselves.

Pot calling the kettle black Mr symjym..

 

[Goldstone76]

There are perhaps no more than a few thousand genuine "9/11 Truthers" worldwide and their numbers are shrinking rapidly. The evidence for this can be seen in the pathetic showing of 9/11 Truth activists on the anniversary and the death (or near death) of literally scores of 9/11 conspiracy related web sites. Even former heavyweights like the "Loose Change Forums" and "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" have virtually no activity on them. The most active Truther group, Tricky Dick Gage's Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth consistently and massively fails to meet every single fund-raising and petition signing goal they set. We are talking 3% of goal type numbers here!

Put your money where your mouths are and hand Tricky Dick Gage's Architects and Engineers your pay cheques to help them with the failed crusade.

They need as many idiots as they can so I am sure you will be welcome with open arms.

Sounds like NSA double speak to me.. Are you a spook Anyway.. facts is facts and at the moment you have no answer to the questions..

Heres another.. Why did Cheney implement on the morning of 9/11 a new policy issued on June 1, 2001 that provided for a ”stand down” protocol that replaced a long-standing shoot-down order for hijacked and suspected hijacked planes. The new order transferred the authority to shoot down aircraft from the Pentagon and NORAD military commanders to the president, vice president, or secretary of defense. Bush of course was reading a book to school children on that morning.. After the first plane struck he read a book to class.. My Pet Goat was the book.. Baaaa...

Why did the White House approve planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis after the 'attack'?. At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the Bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.