Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?

[The Truth]

This is a Brighton & Hove Albion forum not a hair care one.

I like the sarcasm though, in an effort to change direction. You are good at that.

What's your point? You're the one sending me religious messages via private messaging?

 

[One Love]

What's your point? You're the one sending me religious messages via private messaging?

I think it's pretty obvious.

You've shown your true colours. The End

 

[The Truth]

I think it's pretty obvious.

You've shown your true colours. The End

Any chance you'll stop responding to every single one of my posts then? I'd suggest you focus more on your spirituality. I'm just emphasising for the millions killed in the middle east over the 9/11 attacks. I don't justify what's happened based on the evidence. You do. Lets just leave it there.

 

[One Love]

What's your point?

If you really can't see the point then your understanding of basic logic is pretty suspect. I actually think you do but refuse to ever back down on anything.

You're the one sending me religious messages via private messaging?

Mis-direction again

 

[One Love]

Any chance you'll stop responding to every single one of my posts then?

That's a lie.

I don't justify what's happened based on the evidence. You do.

And another one.

Lets just leave it there.

I promise you I will never reply to another post from you unless it's a lie about me.

 

[symyjym]

Some people believe we are being manipulated by the richest people in the world. These people are the ones many believe to be behind financially beneficial terrorist attacks. The oil companies have massive says these days. I read a conspiracy telling 'tales' of how the rockerfeller family were funding oil for the Germans and US during ww2, believe it or not. Some one gets rich from these wars.

Yes, the richest people in the world always manipulate to their advantage. However there has been no benefit to going to war after the 911, since then Americans have lost trillions and trillions and have sold their debt to China and we are in a world recession.

Sure the Rockefeller family were up to all sorts and oil is a massive commodity, WW1 was initially a race for oil in Iraq because it powered the military machine, we had to reach the oilfields before Germany or its allies did.

The Americans had a close alliance to the early German Nazi Party, and America even had a contingency plan to go to war with Britain.

The Rockefeller family is Jewish so I am sure that once they found out what really was going on in Germany they regretted any connection, but a connection they had.

This is known world history not a conspiracy theory and to link 911 to it as proof that 911 must be true is weak.

The names of Richard Gage, Dylan Avery and Professor Steven E Jones, who have direct links in the 911 CT, are not credible, and you even admitted that Richard Gage could be giving out misinformation on behalf of the American government. If he is not credible what makes you think that Dylan Avery and Professor Steven E Jones are?

Edit: Just one more question, do you think that there is a possiblilty that the 911 conspiracy may not be true? or do you think there is no shadow of doubt in the claims?

 

[The Truth]

Yes, the richest people in the world always manipulate to their advantage. However there has been no benefit to going to war after the 911, since then Americans have lost trillions and trillions and have sold their debt to China and we are in a world recession.

Sure the Rockefeller family were up to all sorts and oil is a massive commodity, WW1 was initially a race for oil in Iraq because it powered the military machine, we had to reach the oilfields before Germany or its allies did.

The Americans had a close alliance to the early German Nazi Party, and America even had a contingency plan to go to war with Britain.

The Rockefeller family is Jewish so I am sure that once they found out what really was going on in Germany they regretted any connection, but a connection they had.

This is known world history not a conspiracy theory and to link 911 to it as proof that 911 must be true is weak.

The names of Richard Gage, Dylan Avery and Professor Steven E Jones, who have direct links in the 911 CT, are not credible, and you even admitted that Richard Gage could be giving out misinformation on behalf of the American government. If he is not credible what makes you think that Dylan Avery and Professor Steven E Jones are?

Edit: Just one more question, do you think that there is a possiblilty that the 911 conspiracy may not be true? or do you think there is no shadow of doubt in the claims?

After the evidence based on the Iraqi invasion, I can't just assume the 9/11 evidence to be entirely true. The Rockerfeller family are zionist jews, they wouldn't of given 2 shits what the germans were doing (which they probably knew) in ww2. If oil merchants were orchestrating ww2 then why wouldn't you question their intent to start more wars?
Thanks for not being rude and obnoxious in debate unlike some others, I respect what you know and understand but you can't just assume the rockerfeller family will feel shame for what they did in ww2? Why not assume they are greedy people who will do anything for more money/control?

 

[colinz]

Is this real ?

[video]http://www.septclues.com/ANIMATED%20GIF%20FILES%20sept% 20clues%20research/WTC7collapse1.gif[/video]

 

[beorhthelm]

What's your theory then? I've asked you enough questions, any chance of answering any of them?

to what, i dont have an all encompassing theory? ask a question i'll give my view if you care for it.

 

[One Love]

Is this real ?

I don't know but it comes from a site that says that no plane hit WTC2 which makes you wonder whether it can be trusted.

 

[symyjym]

After the evidence based on the Iraqi invasion, I can't just assume the 9/11 evidence to be entirely true. The Rockerfeller family are zionist jews, they wouldn't of given 2 shits what the germans were doing (which they probably knew) in ww2. If oil merchants were orchestrating ww2 then why wouldn't you question their intent to start more wars?

Thanks for not being rude and obnoxious in debate unlike some others, I respect what you know and understand but you can't just assume the rockerfeller family will feel shame for what they did in ww2? Why not assume they are greedy people who will do anything for more money/control?

That's ok it's a friendly debate.

When you say "I can't just assume the 9/11 evidence to be entirely true." I presume you mean you can't just assume the 911 conspiracy evidence to be entirely true?

My real point about the 911 CT , is that it is always used and linked with other events by the diehard CT's and it sends out a mixed message.

Anyone trying to send out a real message and the truth should never use 911 as an example because the whole theory comes over as an over embellished one. We do have plenty of structural engineers in Brighton and I think Hemsley Orrell Partnership is the firm who played a part in building the Amex. There is nothing wrong with contacting a local structural engineer and asking their view on the WTC collapsed buildings. Then you can base an opinion of one from a qualified professional rather than a few self promoting yanks.

I don't know if the Rockerfeller family felt any shame having early Nazi Germany connections. America as a whole at the time were quite friendly towards Germany and sat on the fence for the majority of the war.

 

[The Truth]

That's ok it's a friendly debate.

When you say "I can't just assume the 9/11 evidence to be entirely true." I presume you mean you can't just assume the 911 conspiracy evidence to be entirely true?

My real point about the 911 CT , is that it is always used and linked with other events by the diehard CT's and it sends out a mixed message.

Anyone trying to send out a real message and the truth should never use 911 as an example because the whole theory comes over as an over embellished one. We do have plenty of structural engineers in Brighton and I think Hemsley Orrell Partnership is the firm who played a part in building the Amex. There is nothing wrong with contacting a local structural engineer and asking their view on the WTC collapsed buildings. Then you can base an opinion of one from a qualified professional rather than a few self promoting yanks.

I don't know if the Rockerfeller family felt any shame having early Nazi Germany connections. America as a whole at the time were quite friendly towards Germany and sat on the fence for the majority of the war.

The only evidence to be made officially true is the evidence which caused an invasion into Afghanistan. This is the evidence I see as questionable and not true. The conspiracies are basing a lot of speculation on what we are forced to believe by the news. I'm pretty sure the person who designed the twin towers claimed it was Plane proof and bomb proof. It was designed so the events of 9/11 were impossible. I respect what the local structural engineers of Brighton may know about 9/11 but surely the engineers of the twin towers would be a better respected means of info for this subject? How do you explain the 45 degree cut through the steel supports of the twin towers after it fell? I understand that the plane defeated science when melting the steel, but the cuttings are very bizarre?

 

[symyjym]

The only evidence to be made officially true is the evidence which caused an invasion into Afghanistan. This is the evidence I see as questionable and not true. The conspiracies are basing a lot of speculation on what we are forced to believe by the news. I'm pretty sure the person who designed the twin towers claimed it was Plane proof and bomb proof. It was designed so the events of 9/11 were impossible. I respect what the local structural engineers of Brighton may know about 9/11 but surely the engineers of the twin towers would be a better respected means of info for this subject? How do you explain the 45 degree cut through the steel supports of the twin towers after it fell? I understand that the plane defeated science when melting the steel, but the cuttings are very bizarre?

Well it did withstand the initial impact, but due to fires weakening the stucture it did eventually collapse.

911 CT's have always said that no steel framed building in history has ever collapsed due to fire, however the video below shows that this is not fact.

This is only a 12 story building that didn't even have a plane impact, or have the benefit of aviation fuel, but it demonstrates a flaw in the CT's argument when presenting these so called facts.

 

[The Truth]

Well it did withstand the initial impact, but due to fires weakening the stucture it did eventually collapse.

911 CT's have always said that no steel framed building in history has ever collapsed due to fire, however the video below shows that this is not fact.

This is only a 12 story building that didn't even have a plane impact, or have the benefit of aviation fuel, but it demonstrates a flaw in the CT's argument when presenting these so called facts.

Do you know what caused this building to collapse and when was it filmed?



This picture shows the 45 degree cuttings through the steel structure. Very questionable.

 

[symyjym]

Do you know what caused this building to collapse and when was it filmed?

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This picture shows the 45 degree cuttings through the steel structure. Very questionable.

It explains it better below, but the fire started from a coffee vending machine. This happened in Holland.



The picture you have posted doesn't show any 45 degree cuttings and all I can see are 22.5 degree angle cuts at best. I am sure out of all the tens of thousands of steels there would be many shapes in the cuts.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm pretty sure the person who designed the twin towers claimed it was Plane proof and bomb proof. It was designed so the events of 9/11 were impossible.

you're pretty sure? and you base the credibility of conspiracies on this? so you dont know if the claim was ever made by the architect, much less if it were claimed, that it was true. or even possible. but you twist your "pretty sure" into a statement that the event was impossible, based on nothing. do you really still profess to be speculating and interested in the truth?

How do you explain the 45 degree cut through the steel supports of the twin towers after it fell?

plasma cutting. the images you refer to are clearly taken in the weeks after, when thousands of workers had been through cutting the remains, and you have zero reference to where that piece was before the collapse. if you want to say its thermite, a favorite of 9/11 CTers, then you'll have to explain how they cut it anything other than vertically.

 

[The Truth]

The picture you have posted doesn't show any 45 degree cuttings and all I can see are 22.5 degree angle cuts at best. I am sure out of all the tens of thousands of steels there would be many shapes in the cuts.

How did you work out it was a 22.5 degree angle? It's much nearer to 45 degrees!? Your conclusion that the clean cut through the steel frame was probably chance, seems weaker than the theories us CTs lay down. If you think a video of a building in amsterdam collapsing due to a coffee machine is going to prove why the US invaded Afghanistan, then you too are as much a conspiracy theorist. I'm sorry but why are CTs getting attacked for what 'drivel' they use as evidence? This evidence is as helpful as the wavy flag on the moon.

 

[symyjym]

How did you work out it was a 22.5 degree angle? It's much nearer to 45 degrees!? Your conclusion that the clean cut through the steel frame was probably chance, seems weaker than the theories us CTs lay down. If you think a video of a building in amsterdam collapsing due to a coffee machine is going to prove why the US invaded Afghanistan, then you too are as much a conspiracy theorist. I'm sorry but why are CTs getting attacked for what 'drivel' they use as evidence? This evidence is as helpful as the wavy flag on the moon.

Firstly I would have agree with beorhthelm as to when the photo was taken. Secondly the photo was taken from above so the angle of cut is deceptive, I can do an animation to prove this point but haven't got time tonight.



Thirdly you haven't taken on board what I have previously said about Afghanistan. They were not looking to go to war there, they were planning to go to war with Iraq, Afghanistan was a distraction, as I have said before and have now repeated.

 

[symyjym]

Here you go, I got bored, but it shows that the angle of "cut" is deceptive when seen from above.

It's an animated gif, if you mouse over it will start.

 

[The Truth]

Firstly I would have agree with beorhthelm as to when the photo was taken. Secondly the photo was taken from above so the angle of cut is deceptive, I can do an animation to prove this point but haven't got time tonight.

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They were not looking to go to war there, they were planning to go to war with Iraq, Afghanistan was a distraction, as I have said before and have now repeated.

I'll accept your theory that animation can be used to trick people from knowing what really happened. Therefore shouldn't your theory also be applied towards the actual attacks which you viewed through media. If so, then maybe Afghanistan was pre-planned?