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I think the most important thing to remember is that we're all sat in the middle of our offices, in front of other people, maths-debating. Disgusting, really.

Albion goals: 1 Birmingham goals: 1 First Albion goalscorer: Kuszczak

I completely agree; they are very, very close to identical. But not quite - to see the difference: a) Buying all 13,983,816 tickets on any one week would guarantee you a win b) Buying one ticket for 13,983,816 draws would not guarantee you a win.

This is exactly what I said. The odds of each ticket winning is 1/13,983,816. The odds of one of the two tickets winning is 2/13,983,816. But then that's what you're saying. So... what? I'm not arguing with that. What are you talking about?

Sorry, adding a bit more just to make clear what I'm saying and not saying. 20 x 20 does nothing in terms of odds directly, the only purpose for multiplying 20x20 is to work out how many items are on the list. That is it. Nothing more. Step 1: Do you agree that if I pick 3 from 6 on Ticket A...

If both tickets are for the same draw, and both tickets are different (i.e. you're not just buying lucky dips where technically you could end up with the same line twice) then yes the odds do half. If you bought all 13,983,816 tickets in the same week, you'd be guaranteed to win. Your logic...

Well I'm not going to like it because you've completely misunderstood my point. I am saying nothing about the chances of winning with 3 numbers on just one line. All I am doing is listing the number of possible "winning" combinations, where in this case "winning" is defined as having exactly 3...

Edited to make this bit clearer: I don't mean 3 out of the 6 winning numbers will satisfy (b); I mean any 3 of the 6 numbers written on Ticket B. We know there are no duplicates, so any 3 of those 6 will do. The 400 combinations that I'm referring to are: Pick any 3 out of the 6 written on...

We've only just got back in the same division as them 18 months ago! Yes, we finished above them last year - but we didn't beat them! We'll (very) probably finish above them this year too, but we still haven't beaten them yet. After a few consecutive seasons of us being in a division above them...

By my workings, assuming no duplicate numbers on the lines you buy: A winning line (as in the real numbers that are drawn) would leave you in this position if it had (a) ANY three from Ticket A, and (b) ANY three from Ticket B. There are 20 ways of picking 3 numbers out of 6, so 20 possible...

I should say Grimsby away, 2003. All that way to get relegated. But I won't, because it was a ruddy brilliant weekend, aside from the football match at the end of it... 0-5 at Palace will take some beating, particularly with being held back in a side street by the police for what seemed like 18...

More importantly, what's going on with the phone charger? Rory left it in Henry VII's bedroom last week...... but they talked about it the week before. It's small, but it bothers me. (Just to stay at least a little ok topic: I am very pro-Alex Kingston so am glad she's back...)

Half your age and add 7, isn't that the rule? So you'd be ok with a 20/21 year-old... which wouldn't be too bad a thing...?

I'm 30, just. But I haven't ticked the box, as it upsets me that I have now fallen into a box that includes 39, when until recently I'd have been in the box that includes 21. :cry:

That's anyone on HERE, you ******* **********. :jester: :kiss:

That would definitely confuse the new kids; they won't have a clue what a "ringtone" is, other than whatever MP3 you select. (God, I'm old :( )

Before all the sarcastic replies come in... long, long ago in the earlier days of NSC there was one particular summer where approximately 5,000 different people all started threads asking when the fixtures were due to come out. "Fixtures" became the slang word for starting a thread when...

The prices I have quoted in this thread for Orange do include unlimited 4G when it comes out, and won't require either a new contract or price rise when it kicks off. This isn't the case for O2 though, when their network finally wakes up at some point in late 2013...

Even the Apple Store itself (Regent Street & Covent Garden at least) won't let you buy one unless you request a specific purchase time the day before. Even then, if they allocate you a time that you won't be able to make (because you've got a job) then tough, you're not getting one. No queuing...

I know it's an acronym - but it saves ONE letter over "haha", or is more effort than just writing "ha" - which kind of takes away from the point of an acronym. The other difference, of course, is that before it came into common usage, people never wrote "Laughing Out Loud", whereas people do...