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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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darkwolf666
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I haven't watched the whole 30/40 unedited minutes, but as you have, can you tell me where in the timeline the comments came, from the clown asking about the Zelenskyy not wearing a suit and Vance saying he had "seen videos of Ukraine"? As they appeared, in the coverage I have seen to be quite important moments in Zelenskyy's reaction to what was happening!
Guardian reported this week that the EU has paid more to Russia for gas and oil than given to Ukraine in aid
EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report
Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv
www.theguardian.com
Whilst we have given them money, we are also funding Russia
We (Europe) could be doing more
Cordwainer
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- Jul 30, 2023
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Isn’t it a vegan? Plant based diet playing merry hell with the synapses.
aolstudios
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Exactly. He was offered safe passage soon after Russia invaded. He & the Ukrainians are brave beyond measure
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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it's a vey important lesson
The Clamp
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You think Zelenskyy is possibly a ****?
You need to do a bit more research rather than just viewing the video that hit the news, in the hopes of seeing a row.
Zelenskyy a ****! Jeeez.
We all see the need to reduce dependence on Russian energy resources, but so far this is a huge economic reality.Guardian reported this week that the EU has paid more to Russia for gas and oil than given to Ukraine in aid
EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report
Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv
Whilst we have given them money, we are also funding Russia
We (Europe) could be doing more
Papa Lazarou
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Can't see this anywhere. Apologies if its been covered.
If the most right leaning newspaper in the UK is saying this, you know Trump has gone too far.
If the most right leaning newspaper in the UK is saying this, you know Trump has gone too far.
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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The whole 45 minutes is freely available on YouTube and it is interesting- everything was very cordial for the first 30 minutes (obviously not reported as not newsworthy) … body language changes when Vance said the "path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy…this is what President Trump wants”
Zelenskyy says something like what sort of diplomacy, nobody has tried to stop Putin (not exact quote but along those lines) Vance says the sort of diplomacy that could stop the destruction of your country and then it escalated
The implication was that Zelenskyy should come to the negotiating table and he just changed- started lecturing Trump and that was that.
I know there are lots of commentary videos on Zelenskyy ticking and nose wiping and all the coke head stuff has been doing the rounds for years but that meeting went downhill quick over nothing
Not wearing a suit to the Oval Office? Piss poor behaviour- just like Musk but then I’m old fashioned so maybe it’s a modern thing , the world is tending to leave me behind on etiquette I admit !!
The Clamp
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The Mail is a bit like Boris Johnson. It follows the popular opinion.
They’ll be back to supporting Trump when it all settles down.
The Clamp
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Funny how people can interpret things differently. It appeared to me that Zelenskyy was simply pointing out that Ukraine had gone down the diplomacy route with Putin over the Crimea. Putin tore up the agreement and invaded the whole country.
Just because Zelenskyy needs money it doesn’t mean he has to buy into the false narrative pedalled by Trump and Vance.
It’s called integrity.
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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I watched the whole meeting things were very cordial and the deal was done, Zelenskyy blew the deal up - Vance said the route to peace is through diplomacy and Zelenskyy lost the plot - it was extremely bizarre to say the least … the meagre suggestion of coming to the negotiating table and all hell broke loose. Watch the whole thing, the last 10 minutes doesn’t tell the story. The body language- everything to me says if you watched that with an open mind - Zelenskyy blew that deal up over nothing
Just my thoughts though, nothing deeper.
The Clamp
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I’ve watched the whole thing (with an open mind) and came away with very different conclusions.
Vance was the biggest offender. Whooping it up for “the American people”
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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Putin started the invasion. That's not America or Europe's fault. They also didn't stand by and do nothing. And no, of course Trump didn't start the war either. He's not being accused of that.
He's been accused of letting down a democratic ally, and siding with an evil dictator.
Trump is a stain on the great democracy of America, as are you.
The Clamp
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See my post a couple up the page.
Something which could rarely, if ever, be said about your Trump-defending posts.
You're now on ignore
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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I feel exactly the opposite. Zelenskyy is a world leader who is at war, with thousands of his countrymen dying, he has no money and needs help on behalf of his countrymen… he should be able to sit in the devil’s own White House and hold his tongue even if his mother is insulted…and take the support his country needs. Or he’s not worthy of the office.
The Clamp
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Just sit there while Vance screams at him? No.