[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Jim in the West]

Thanks for the invitation, but as I say I have learned it is a waste of time with a bad faith poster, you'll disapppear again when the conversation gets tricky.

Absolutely - it is definitely not worth wasting any time engaging with him/her/them…

 

[darkwolf666]

Have you watched the whole 30/40 minutes? It looks to me like Zelenskyy went on tilt.. everything was very cordial for half an hour he was getting the money he needed and it honestly looks like he blew it up deliberately… his ambassador has her head in her hands.

My pause for thought moment is thst it is entirely possible that Putin is a c*** Trump is a c*** and Zelenskyy is a c***

Because one person is opposed to another on the world stage doesn’t make them one good one bad re: Corbyn/Boris Trump/Hillary

I haven't watched the whole 30/40 unedited minutes, but as you have, can you tell me where in the timeline the comments came, from the clown asking about the Zelenskyy not wearing a suit and Vance saying he had "seen videos of Ukraine"? As they appeared, in the coverage I have seen to be quite important moments in Zelenskyy's reaction to what was happening!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Europe and the Biden administration have hardly done 'nothing'. Wtf are you talking about?
Of course, everyone blames Putin for the war. Who hasn't? Oh.... Trump and Vance. Trump, on the other hand, has called Zelensky a dictator, but refused to call Putin a dictactor. Trump wants to be Putin - he dreams of having the kind of power Putin has. Trump disgustingly 'trash talked' (to use an american term) Zelensky multiple times in the run-up to his visit, all the while playing up the aggressor. Would that not rile you up as a leader of a country which has been the victim of said aggressor the last 3 years? Would you not already have a short fuse, then snap when you are then cornered and bullied, told how you should feel and act, in front of the world's media, in the most stereotypical American brash/loudmouth/ignorant manner? (I know not all Americans are like this ftr). I'm surprised he didn't lamp Trump, to be honest. It was absolutely disgusting.

Trump/Vance and the rest of those cronies are dispicable human beings - in two months they've managed to turn pretty much the whole western world against America. Well done - let's see it plays out acting in the way they are, bullying pretty much the rest of the world.... apart from the likes of Russia.

They don't really give a shit about the war anyway - they want the minerals for Musk. They don't really give a shit about Gaza - he wants a new Trump paradise on the Med and f*** the Palestinians whose home it is. I could go on.

Guardian reported this week that the EU has paid more to Russia for gas and oil than given to Ukraine in aid

EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report

Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

www.theguardian.com

Whilst we have given them money, we are also funding Russia

We (Europe) could be doing more

 

[Cordwainer]

Oh you’re back.

You didn’t answer my last question

What does your best friends Ukrainian brother in Laws father (or whatever distant made up relative it was) think of Zelensky.
We know what you think
But what does your distant relative Ukrainian think?

By the way, how come you’re in Las Vegas - or is that just a stage name?

Isn’t it a vegan? Plant based diet playing merry hell with the synapses.

 

[aolstudios]

Way to long ago for me to remember the 'actual' details now but he was an actor who played a president in a tv show (or something similar), then somehow ended up running for the actual presidency of Ukraine. He won the democratic election.
I don't suppose for one second he thought he'd have to deal with bombs raining down on the (democratic) country. I think if he was in it for the money he would've been straight out of Kyiv the moment it was under threat.
Please give me the slightest piece of 'evidence' you have (no matter how shady the source) to show that he's just in it for the cash.
What cash & where is it coming from?
The explanation has to make sense, no 'you look for it', or 'you'll see', just give me a couple of places to start me off.
I genuinely want to look at what has formed your point of view.

Exactly. He was offered safe passage soon after Russia invaded. He & the Ukrainians are brave beyond measure

 

[rogersix]

Well that was informative

it's a vey important lesson

 

[The Clamp]

Have you watched the whole 30/40 minutes? It looks to me like Zelenskyy went on tilt.. everything was very cordial for half an hour he was getting the money he needed and it honestly looks like he blew it up deliberately… his ambassador has her head in her hands.

My pause for thought moment is thst it is entirely possible that Putin is a c*** Trump is a c*** and Zelenskyy is a c***

Because one person is opposed to another on the world stage doesn’t make them one good one bad re: Corbyn/Boris Trump/Hillary

You think Zelenskyy is possibly a ****?

You need to do a bit more research rather than just viewing the video that hit the news, in the hopes of seeing a row.

Zelenskyy a ****! Jeeez.

 

[wapuy]

Guardian reported this week that the EU has paid more to Russia for gas and oil than given to Ukraine in aid

EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report

Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

www.theguardian.com

Whilst we have given them money, we are also funding Russia

We (Europe) could be doing more

We all see the need to reduce dependence on Russian energy resources, but so far this is a huge economic reality.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Can't see this anywhere. Apologies if its been covered.

If the most right leaning newspaper in the UK is saying this, you know Trump has gone too far.

 

[Rdodge30]

I haven't watched the whole 30/40 unedited minutes, but as you have, can you tell me where in the timeline the comments came, from the clown asking about the Zelenskyy not wearing a suit and Vance saying he had "seen videos of Ukraine"? As they appeared, in the coverage I have seen to be quite important moments in Zelenskyy's reaction to what was happening!

The whole 45 minutes is freely available on YouTube and it is interesting- everything was very cordial for the first 30 minutes (obviously not reported as not newsworthy) … body language changes when Vance said the "path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy…this is what President Trump wants”

Zelenskyy says something like what sort of diplomacy, nobody has tried to stop Putin (not exact quote but along those lines) Vance says the sort of diplomacy that could stop the destruction of your country and then it escalated

The implication was that Zelenskyy should come to the negotiating table and he just changed- started lecturing Trump and that was that.

I know there are lots of commentary videos on Zelenskyy ticking and nose wiping and all the coke head stuff has been doing the rounds for years but that meeting went downhill quick over nothing

Not wearing a suit to the Oval Office? Piss poor behaviour- just like Musk but then I’m old fashioned so maybe it’s a modern thing , the world is tending to leave me behind on etiquette I admit !!

 

[The Clamp]

Can't see this anywhere. Apologies if its been covered.

If the most right leaning newspaper in the UK is saying this, you know Trump has gone too far.

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The Mail is a bit like Boris Johnson. It follows the popular opinion.

They’ll be back to supporting Trump when it all settles down.

 

[The Clamp]

The whole 45 minutes is freely available on YouTube and it is interesting- everything was very cordial for the first 30 minutes (obviously not reported as not newsworthy) … body language changes when Vance said the "path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy…this is what President Trump wants”

Zelenskyy says something like what sort of diplomacy, nobody has tried to stop Putin (not exact quote but along those lines) Vance says the sort of diplomacy that could stop the destruction of your country and then it escalated

The implication was that Zelenskyy should come to the negotiating table and he just changed- started lecturing Trump and that was that.

I know there are lots of commentary videos on Zelenskyy ticking and nose wiping and all the coke head stuff has been doing the rounds for years but that meeting went downhill quick over nothing

Not wearing a suit to the Oval Office? Piss poor behaviour- just like Musk but then I’m old fashioned so maybe it’s a modern thing , the world is tending to leave me behind on etiquette I admit !!

Funny how people can interpret things differently. It appeared to me that Zelenskyy was simply pointing out that Ukraine had gone down the diplomacy route with Putin over the Crimea. Putin tore up the agreement and invaded the whole country.

Just because Zelenskyy needs money it doesn’t mean he has to buy into the false narrative pedalled by Trump and Vance.

It’s called integrity.

 

[Rdodge30]

You think Zelenskyy is possibly a ****?

You need to do a bit more research rather than just viewing the video that hit the news, in the hopes of seeing a row.

Zelenskyy a ****! Jeeez.

I watched the whole meeting things were very cordial and the deal was done, Zelenskyy blew the deal up - Vance said the route to peace is through diplomacy and Zelenskyy lost the plot - it was extremely bizarre to say the least … the meagre suggestion of coming to the negotiating table and all hell broke loose. Watch the whole thing, the last 10 minutes doesn’t tell the story. The body language- everything to me says if you watched that with an open mind - Zelenskyy blew that deal up over nothing

Just my thoughts though, nothing deeper.

 

[The Clamp]

I watched the whole meeting things were very cordial and the deal was done, Zelenskyy blew the deal up - Vance said the route to peace is through diplomacy and Zelenskyy lost the plot - it was extremely bizarre to say the least … the meagre suggestion of coming to the negotiating table and all hell broke loose. Watch the whole thing, the last 10 minutes doesn’t tell the story. The body language- everything to me says if you watched that with an open mind - Zelenskyy blew that deal up over nothing

Just my thoughts though, nothing deeper.

I’ve watched the whole thing (with an open mind) and came away with very different conclusions.

Vance was the biggest offender. Whooping it up for “the American people”

 

[Rdodge30]

I’ve watched the whole thing (with an open mind) and came away with very different conclusions.

Fair enough how did you read it?

*edit - sorry just read your previous post

 

[Triggaaar]

Things to remember, Trump didn’t start this nightmare. Blame it on Putin, and the Biden administration, you, and Europe who stood by, watched, and did nothing.

Putin started the invasion. That's not America or Europe's fault. They also didn't stand by and do nothing. And no, of course Trump didn't start the war either. He's not being accused of that.

He's been accused of letting down a democratic ally, and siding with an evil dictator.

We had Macron and Starmer over here, you lot gushing how they played Trump like a fiddle, caressing his gigantic ego. Then you have Billy big bollocks over here, in his war costume, begging for cash, and telling the c***ts
how it’s going to be. You all acclaim him as a master of diplomacy, a true hero of our times. He got booted out the front door with nothing. What a diplomat.

Trump is a stain on the great democracy of America, as are you.

 

[The Clamp]

Fair enough how did you read it?

See my post a couple up the page.

 

[Peteinblack]

Well that was informative

Something which could rarely, if ever, be said about your Trump-defending posts.

You're now on ignore

 

[Rdodge30]

Just because Zelenskyy needs money it doesn’t mean he has to buy into the false narrative pedalled by Trump and Vance.

I feel exactly the opposite. Zelenskyy is a world leader who is at war, with thousands of his countrymen dying, he has no money and needs help on behalf of his countrymen… he should be able to sit in the devil’s own White House and hold his tongue even if his mother is insulted…and take the support his country needs. Or he’s not worthy of the office.

 

[The Clamp]

I feel exactly the opposite. Zelenskyy is a world leader who is at war, with thousands of his countrymen dying, he has no money and needs help on behalf of his countrymen… he should be able to sit in the devil’s own White House and hold his tongue even if his mother is insulted…and take the support his country needs. Or he’s not worthy of the office.

Just sit there while Vance screams at him? No.