wouldn't surprise me if he became fit and available 1 second after the transfer window shuts....
[Albion] Injuries 2024/25
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- Nov 15, 2006
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Or the Saturday after he’s loaned out
Always assumed that is the plan - starters put it in for first hour or so then we put on like-for-like subs to do the same.
- Oct 12, 2022
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We’ve had these injuries over several seasons and under different head coaches. This suggests to me that we’re not over-coaching.
Similarly, without inside knowledge of what’s going on at the training ground, we don’t know if pitches have been relaid or replaced with artificial pitches etc. Unless they have, we can probably discount the training environment.
Is it a blind spot in our data approach? is the reason we’re able to get these players that others are discounting them partly on them being potentially injury prone?
Is it just bad luck? It seems to be ongoing and happening consistently, you’d think the club would be looking closely at how this keeps happening.
If these injuries were all occurring e.g. during a particular drill, you’d hope that would be being picked up on and the drill replaced with something less destructive. Similarly if they were all occurring at the end of training sessions, you’d think that we’d switch to shorter, more intense, training sessions.
I’d just like to know that somebody at the club is investigating how/why this keeps happening, and is looking for a solution.
Similarly, without inside knowledge of what’s going on at the training ground, we don’t know if pitches have been relaid or replaced with artificial pitches etc. Unless they have, we can probably discount the training environment.
Is it a blind spot in our data approach? is the reason we’re able to get these players that others are discounting them partly on them being potentially injury prone?
Is it just bad luck? It seems to be ongoing and happening consistently, you’d think the club would be looking closely at how this keeps happening.
If these injuries were all occurring e.g. during a particular drill, you’d hope that would be being picked up on and the drill replaced with something less destructive. Similarly if they were all occurring at the end of training sessions, you’d think that we’d switch to shorter, more intense, training sessions.
I’d just like to know that somebody at the club is investigating how/why this keeps happening, and is looking for a solution.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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That's exactly what I thought it would be at the start of the season. A fairly like for like, two front 4's, with everyone getting loads of game time. It's a really exciting idea.
But it's not really worked out like that. Subs have, mostly (but not always) been much later than I would have expected. Injuries all over the pitch have hampered presumably pre made plans and players subbed in have often failed to impact, with one or 2 notably out of form
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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I think the same as you. From the outside, none of the explanations on their own make any sense. I hope the club aren't just putting this down to luck. Given the scale of the issue, i'd like the think there is a full scale review in progress.
- Jun 27, 2012
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For those speculating and searching for reasons - Why do Brentford, Wolves, Spurs and Newcastle have similar or worse injury patterns to us - at least in terms of number of current players out. (9 or 10)
Kalimantan Gull
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So you're saying that he's not injured and was dropped?
- Jun 27, 2012
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there aren't any teams that "barely get an injury" and many if not most get multiple injuiries and several teams this year who have had just as bad a injury list (Brentford, Wolves, Spurs etc) .
- Jun 27, 2012
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what explanations ? Dunk having a recurrence of a calf injury he had a few weeks ago ? Pedro having a twisted ankle ? Igor having to have (like Welbeck in past seasons) an op on his hamstring, Ferdi having a toe operation ? Why do they not make sense ?
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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The numbers. The numbers don't make sense. Sure in your approach if you look at each instance in isolation then each makes sense. But there's a number of injuries over more than a season here and that's what I think the club should be looking at. I would be amazed if they were just sitting back and concluding straight away it's just bad luck
Nobby Cybergoat
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And I really don't care about f***ing Brentford. We've got to look after what we're doing, as do they.
The number and length of injuries we've been getting is way worse than most pl clubs and way worse than it's been at any time in recent or not so recent years.
It's not illegitimate to be asking these questions
Forster's Armband
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Players are playing too many games. The style of most football clubs has moved to high intensity so more injuries occur. It isn't just us at all it's loads of teams. I am certain the club will be looking into it and that our new medical team is all part of that.
- Nov 15, 2006
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That argument falls down when Liverpool currently only have three. Is there a more high intensity team who play more games?
Indeed - I was trying to find the stats on running distances etc, but even without these it is obvious that certain teams play in a pretty intense way - and whose players have significantly more game time. I'm sure the club are dedicating a lot of time and effort to this....and there is probably a large dose of bad luck at play.
No doubt linked to this, it was interesting to hear Fab talking last week about Gomez's physicality - it's obviously an attribute that he looks for, and which his style of play demands. So, players like Rutter, JPVH, Veltman, Minteh, Baleba, etc are very important (even though their physicality doesn't necessarily stop them getting injured).
7dialssouthpaw
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- Sep 10, 2022
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good reasoning, Sir/M.
I floated my theory that our chalky soil may be an issue last week, but was persuaded otherwise by other commenters. I then looked at the stats for the WSL team, to create a kind of "control group" and saw that they are historically fairly average.
BUT - I do like your point about the blind spot - ie. is the algorithm missing the intangible of us being flogged sick-note players?
Our stats must be weighed by just a handful of players that are off a lot (incl. for eg. Moder, Lamptey, Webster, JPedro, Ferdi) and then also by our mixture of "old crocks" and "young breakables", as others have mentioned.
TLDR: I blame the algorithm!
Clive Walker
Stand Or Fall
Jota is the only one in and out. It’s very lucky.
pigmanovich
Good Old Sausage by the Sea
Konate and Bradley (not their first choice RB but still) too? Not as bad as our record of course.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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I think City played every 4 days for about 5 seasons and hardly had any either