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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



Eric the meek

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Wo down there Eric, I'm not complaining at you for posting stuff. I don't expect you to make sure every single link is going to satisfy every one of us 100%. I'm just saying I didn't really like that one, that's all.

And yes I agree that you can learn from their reports. If they're telling us that Putin is great and loves everyone, then they must be aware that people think the opposite.
OK thanks.

I think there's a fair chance that the pundits could become really entertaining as next year progresses. We will see.
 




A1X

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I would suggest that they wouldn't be doing this, if the Kremlin was not concerned about the rise of dissent. Or, to take it a stage further, the rebellion that Paul Warburg speaks of.
You can only hide things from the public for so long. People start to notice when the price of their food basics goes through the roof and they can’t get their hands on fuel quite so readily. Especially in the middle of a particularly cold winter (as it currently is in Russia, around 10 degrees below average).
 


Eric the meek

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You can only hide things from the public for so long. People start to notice when the price of their food basics goes through the roof and they can’t get their hands on fuel quite so readily. Especially in the middle of a particularly cold winter (as it currently is in Russia, around 10 degrees below average).
Indeed.

And when they can't afford their mortgage, and in desperation, put their property on the market, and find that the number of buyers is collapsing, due to bankruptcies in the private sector, and layoffs in the public sector. And those potential buyers who are left, are unable to afford the 25%+ mortgage rates to buy it off them anyway.
 


raymondo

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OK point taken. You find it boring, and Raymondo can't stomach it. I will try to select the Russian state TV more carefully. Or I may not post it, and just highlight the interesting bits.

I know I've said this before, but Russian state TV can be a goldmine, as it can provide a glimpse into Kremlin thinking that you don't get elsewhere. For instance, for the second time recently, Margarita Simonyan has eulogised about Putin. Why is she doing that? Have they heard rumblings of discontent? Then, towards the end, the fat bloke speaks through tears about Putin's love for his country. They are advising the Russian people how to behave.

I would suggest that they wouldn't be doing this, if the Kremlin was not concerned about the rise of dissent. Or, to take it a stage further, the rebellion that Paul Warburg speaks of.
Keep posting their state TV, please Eric!!
It was just a bit of throwaway banter after a tough day here. I did watch most of it later, and I agree they are important in their own way... it's one of the few direct windows we have on their media and society.
 


Eric the meek

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Keep posting their state TV, please Eric!!
It was just a bit of throwaway banter after a tough day here. I did watch most of it later, and I agree they are important in their own way... it's one of the few direct windows we have on their media and society.
I will do that. They are iconic. Part of the whole experience. Check out Simonyan's New Year predictions video below:

 






Triggaaar

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Training in avoiding drones :ROFLMAO:

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Except drones aren't usually swinging on string
 










Eric the meek

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Kate Gerbeau of Times Radio interviews Keir Giles, Russia analyst at Chatham House:

Take note of his claim, (at 15:00) that when Russia next attacks a European target, it may bypass the harder targets on its borders, and use long range air and missile assets against a soft target, which has not invested in integrated air and missile defence, like Britain.

 




Triggaaar

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Take note of his claim, (at 15:00) that when Russia next attacks a European target, it may bypass the harder targets on its borders, and use long range air and missile assets against a soft target, which has not invested in integrated air and missile defence, like Britain.

What a load of nonsense. What would Russia gain by firing missiles at UK towns and cities? That would mean a full war with NATO, and Russia can't handle that.
 




Blues Guitarist

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Broe reports that the Biden administration is transferring outstanding Ukraine aid support tasks to NATO for completion... presumably because of fears Trump will stop the delivery of promised support as soon as 20th January hits.
I don't understand the real detail, and hope it's more than just words.
All we need to do is reduce our GDP to the point where our current arms spend represents 5%.

That’ll keep The Donald happy.
You found a Brexit benefit :LOL:
 




Triggaaar

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You are thinking logically, but this is Russia we are talking about. Giles is a Russia analyst.

So tell me when, over the last 100 years, Russia has done something like that? Russia aren't completely illogical idiots, their warmongering over the past has brought them success. Firing missiles at a NATO country would bring them disaster.
 
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Eric the meek

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So tell me when, over the last 100 years, Russia has done something like that? Russia aren't completely illogical idiots, their warmongering over the past has brought them success. Firing missiles at a NATO country would bring them disaster.
Why does something need to have happened in the past, for you to accept the possibility it may happen in the future? Why can't something happen a first time?
I don't think that is a valid approach to Russia's warmongering. There's a first time for everything. I think that's a proverb.

Your last sentence suggests that you think it a foregone conclusion that Nato would win a conflict with Russia. I happen to think you are right. But does Putin agree with us? He has been pushing the boundaries, testing Nato responses, probing for weakness for decades. Why might he be doing it?
 


Triggaaar

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Why does something need to have happened in the past, for you to accept the possibility it may happen in the future? Why can't something happen a first time?

It can, but you're saying 'this is Russia we are talking about' and they aren't logical. Where is the evidence to say that they're not logical?


Your last sentence suggests that you think it a foregone conclusion that Nato would win a conflict with Russia. I happen to think you are right. But does Putin agree with us?

He's struggled so much against one small nation, so I imagine he realises he's no match for the 32 countries in NATO.


He has been pushing the boundaries, testing Nato responses, probing for weakness for decades. Why might he be doing it?

Because he's been gambling that the West/NATO won't do anything as long as he doesn't attack them, and he's been basically right there. But being able to annex Crimea and part of Georgia is quite different to firing missiles at the UK.
 




tedebear

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So tell me when, over the last 100 years, Russia has done something like that? Russia aren't completely illogical idiots, their warmongering over the past has brought them success. Firing missiles at a NATO country would bring them disaster.

Probably, but they would take a heck of a lot of lives and make a hell of a mess before we could mobilise....they aren't exactly articulate when they let rip...
 


Triggaaar

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Probably, but they would take a heck of a lot of lives and make a hell of a mess before we could mobilise...

That's always been the case, and always will be. But I can't see the point in Russia starting a war against us.
 


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