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Millerovo airbase is under drone attack. It is just inside the Russian border, 70 km NW of the city of Luhansk.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Jesus wept. There must be hundreds of drones in that attack.
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In my naivety, I assumed those lights would be tracer fire to light the way for anti-aircraft targeting.
But you could be right. They could be an overwhelming volume of drones.
The Kazan attack was just a handful of larger drones (= large payload). Every raid is different.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Even if Putin is terminally I think there would be concern that his successor might continue in the same vein, particularly if anointed by Putin
I see that Cadbury's has lost its Royal warrant due to its parent company still operating
in Russia. So too Unilever products. Good on Charles for doing this. I'll certainly be boycotting Cadbury's from now
on. Had I known earlier I'd have stopped before. Wan*ers.
in Russia. So too Unilever products. Good on Charles for doing this. I'll certainly be boycotting Cadbury's from now
on. Had I known earlier I'd have stopped before. Wan*ers.
Even if I believed in Putin, I'd be thinking I had a better chance of survival and success if I ended the war and got things in Russia back to how they were.
Sirnormangall
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I hope you’re right. As you say, Putin’s successor would have a great opportunity to rebuild bridges (literally!) at home and abroad. That would be the logical thing to do. But Russia also seems to have great capacity for producing tyrannical leaders who despise and fear the west.
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I suspect that if I lived in Russia, I would be compliant. I would put my life and freedom above taking any risks. It may not be popular on here, but I'm being honest.
I think I would try to make the best of it. Perhaps I would fight back on a low level, always assessing the risk to my life. I am more use to my family if I'm alive.
That said, if I saw unrest/rebellion taking off, I would probably partake in it, at a point where I judged the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
There may be people in Russia right now, weighing this up.
Yeah but we weren't talking about citizens, we were talking about Putin's successor.
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Yes, I know! But we don't know if there is going to be a successor, if there is one, who it will be, when it will happen, whether Putin's successor is already in power, or if a thousand other things may happen instead. The Kremlin is like a black box. Very little information escapes.
I don't think they fear the West - I think their 'leaders' despise democracy because it reduces the power of the heads, and reduces corruption opportunities. If the propaganda was removed for long enough, their citizens might enjoy democracy, with all its faults.
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And the citizens might cotton on to the fact that they have effectively bankrolled the brutality and kleptocracy of the elite. And then the elite would enjoy a severely reduced longevity.I don't think they fear the West - I think their 'leaders' despise democracy because it reduces the power of the heads, and reduces corruption opportunities. If the propaganda was removed for long enough, their citizens might enjoy democracy, with all its faults.
I have always thought that the thing that Putin really fears, is the Russian people. That's why he controls the media, employing propagandists to steer the narrative. Why he quickly removes anti-war protesters, imprisoning them for decades. Why he outlaws criticism of the armed forces. He nips any and all organised dissent in the bud.